On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:08:00 +0000
Adam Lea wrote:

On 11/01/2017 13:32, Will Hand wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:10:21 -0800 (PST)
Crusader wrote:

On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 14:02:46 UTC, wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 12:30:43 UTC,
wrote:
On 09/01/2017 17:17, Eskimo Will wrote:
On 08/01/2017 22:02, John Hall wrote:
In message , Bernard Burton
writes
Never mind the medium range, today's forecasts in BBC R4 have been
pretty useless. Unless my hearing is faulty, the only mention of rain
on the 7.55 forecast was some drizzle over Wales. There was already
some precipitation in the SE showing on the radar then, and here we
had intrermittent slight drizzle all night, and this developed into
over an hour of moderate rain and drizzle here, and appeared to be
quite widespread on the radar. The models obviously missed this
development, and a lack of a decent covering of 'real' obs and a
dearth of radio soundings makes this type blunder only to be expected.
I noticed too, that the EGLL TAF has almost as many amends as there
were METARS!. On the 1255 forecast I heard a lot about how cold it
would be later in the week, but no mention or apology for the
downright duff forecasts for today.

The forecast for SE England currently shown on the Met Office website,
and time-stamped at 13:19 says:

This Evening and Tonight:
Often overcast skies tonight with mist and patches of fog. Light winds
at first will freshen later. It should be a dry night for most, but
with a few spots of drizzle in the wind. Minimum Temperature 5 °C.

I happened to be visiting a friend in SE London today, and there was
moderate rain there from at least 18:30 to 19:00. So it seems that
nobody at the Met Office noticed that their forecast was wrong till
later than 13:19, and even then they didn't bother to issue an updated
forecast. I know it's Sunday, and perhaps there aren't mainly people on
duty, but it's not very impressive.

TBH I don't think many care anymore. Morale is still rock-bottom and I
know of several who want to give up operational meteorology as the plan
is still full automation (apart from warnings) by 2020.

Another point is that there is now no experience left in UKMO. I mean
real experience of 30 years+ in synoptic met. relating weather to charts
etc. If the model says no then the forecasters have little to draw upon
to go against it. An example is showers. Not many people know that the
high res models do not advect showers, they are formed in situ at each
gridpoint. That is why windward coasts get warnings and not places
downwind. Of course if the forecasters had a lot of experience of
different situations then they could correct that. The next 10 years may
see very poor forecasting indeed until models improve and start to take
over the experience of relating weather to synoptics. But then again the
scientists to do this automation work are often not experienced either,
oh dear! And no I'm not going back, I love not working after getting
voluntary redundancy (and a big pay off) in 2012.

Oh dear, more smugness. Look at me, see how much I've been paid off at the
taxpayers expense. Best not mention that gilt-edged pension, eh?

Col

The 2012 redundancies were a two sided cost saving method for the Met
Office and hence the taxpayer. It firstly enabled the final demise of the
Observers (of all ages) without trying to find them new jobs. The Observer
roles were then spliced with the incumbent forecasters and some refreshed
automation (MMS Observing network) (The forecasters did not get any
additional pay for absorbing this partial role into their workload BTW).

The other saving was to release older more experience forecasters and
recruit more fresh young graduates at a lower payscale (and with much
reduced pension rights (working til at least 65-70) and massively higher
contribution rates...now much like any private pension with no final
salary involved ...6 to 8% average contribution rates).

The training budget for forecasters was effectively cut by significantly
simplifying the forecasting course (making it model centric) and shifting
the final training responsibility out to the on-site managers, who are now
also training assessors (Again no pay increase for the extra role
absorption).

The opportunity was also there to change the demographic, for the past 8 to
10 years, most of the graduates have been female, such that now a male
forecaster over 35 years old is much more scarce, and most are under 30
years old!

So as you can see, the taxpayer's money has been saved, as most of those
earlier redundancies involved people who were already approaching
retirement or who were in the base level (low paid) Observer roles. Along
with role merging and IT/model efficiencies, the cost of staff and
pensions is greatly reduced in real terms.

Hope this helps

What a great summary, concur with all of the above. I basically took the
opportunity when it came up. Come on, who wouldn't! Win for the MetO and win
for me. No doubt there will be further exit schemes as departments continue
to look for savings.

Eskimo Will
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Would you advise against me applying for a job there whenever a
potentially suitable one for me comes up.

Certainly not! It's a great place to work. After 42 years I had had enough of
the politics, cost saving and corporate ****e but the work and people were still
interesting and nice. Good luck and if you need any interview advice let me
know.

Will
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