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Those useless gnomes oughta find some more
meaningful employment b/c their ain't no
weather folks.
Just remember this:
Nature offers no free lunch.If you all would
love the "beautiful weather" to continue on
and on,then prepare yourself for limits on your
water use.
I,for one,hate global warming-you will too.

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"777thSector" wrote in message
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Those useless gnomes oughta find some more
meaningful employment b/c there ain't no
weather folks.
Just remember this:
Nature offers no free lunch.If you all would
love the "beautiful weather" to continue on
and on,then prepare yourself for limits on your
water use.

Presumably this refers to the Tuesday *night* forecast which called for
showers or rain in Seattle and Portland (the latter up to a quarter inch) on
Wednesday, but which hours later resulted in only 0.01 inches in Seattle and
almost totally sunny skies (0.00 inches) in Portland?

I did hear a rather interesting point about the amount of precip this
winter: it's not that there's been SO little (many times we've seen as
little or less), it's just that when systems have arrived it's almost always
also been warm, accounting for snow packs down at 20-30% of normal. This
coincidence is what's been of concern.

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That's interesting; Central Park in NYC is going on its 4th consecutive
snowiest winter on record -- your Global Warming doomspeak rings hollow
on the east coast.

We may have a drought this year, but it's no anomaly.

The weather *is* beautiful, isn't it? It's hard to beat Oregon when
it's not 40°, gray and raining.

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"777thSector" wrote in message
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Those useless gnomes oughta find some more
meaningful employment b/c their ain't no
weather folks.
Just remember this:
Nature offers no free lunch.If you all would
love the "beautiful weather" to continue on
and on,then prepare yourself for limits on your
water use.
I,for one,hate global warming-you will too.

In Arizona we've been under drought conditions for ten years. We got your
rain this year, almost as much as we would get in an entire year, and it's
helped to a degree with filling up our resevoirs and aquifer.

Two things:

1 - Quit whining because you've been in a drought for a couple months. With
the rain you get compared to us, and the proximity of the Columbia and
Williamette, you have nothing to whine about.

2 - Just because we got all this rain should we start worrying about a
deluge and build an ark? Put it in perspective and enjoy the sunshine for a
change. You'll have plenty of gloom again.

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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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In Arizona we've been under drought conditions for ten years. We got your
rain this year, almost as much as we would get in an entire year, and it's
helped to a degree with filling up our resevoirs and aquifer.

Actually, Phoenix has had more rain than Portland so far this year.

Two things:

1 - Quit whining because you've been in a drought for a couple months.
With the rain you get compared to us, and the proximity of the Columbia
and Williamette, you have nothing to whine about.

Nobody's whining, but we are concerned. Arizona has been a dry state for
centuries. Western Oregon has been home to thousands of acres of old growth
forests for just as long. Your state is used to drought. Our ecosystem
cannot handle this dry weather.

2 - Just because we got all this rain should we start worrying about a
deluge and build an ark? Put it in perspective and enjoy the sunshine for
a change. You'll have plenty of gloom again.

If Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe has massive flooding (the drains there are built
for drought conditions, not constant rain) and you do need to build an ark,
from where do you think the wood will originate? Sedona?

We have put it into perspective, and the prognosis sucks. You should
realize that even if you lived in Death Valley. Try using some perspective
yourself, Dave.

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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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In Arizona we've been under drought conditions for ten years. We got your
rain this year, almost as much as we would get in an entire year, and
it's helped to a degree with filling up our resevoirs and aquifer.

Actually, Phoenix has had more rain than Portland so far this year.

Yes, I believe it has. Kinda what I was saying. We got your rain.


Two things:

1 - Quit whining because you've been in a drought for a couple months.
With the rain you get compared to us, and the proximity of the Columbia
and Williamette, you have nothing to whine about.

Nobody's whining, but we are concerned. Arizona has been a dry state for
centuries. Western Oregon has been home to thousands of acres of old
growth forests for just as long. Your state is used to drought. Our
ecosystem cannot handle this dry weather.

I'm sure your ecosystem will handle it just fine, like our deserts handle
occaissional floods without rotting out. Look at tree growth rings some
time. The older ones have handled decades of droughts.



2 - Just because we got all this rain should we start worrying about a
deluge and build an ark? Put it in perspective and enjoy the sunshine for
a change. You'll have plenty of gloom again.

If Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe has massive flooding (the drains there are
built for drought conditions, not constant rain)

You have no frigging clue what you are talking about. We've had no flooding
here this year, and we've had 7 times the rain in a few short days than we
normally have during the first part of the year. All they had to do was open
a few dams and let the excess through. BTW - the storm drains here, unlike
Portland, are built to handle large amounts of water in a short period of
time because that's what happens here. The only bad flooding we ever had was
over twenty years ago, and that's been solved.

and you do need to build an ark,
from where do you think the wood will originate? Sedona?

Home Depot.



We have put it into perspective, and the prognosis sucks. You should
realize that even if you lived in Death Valley. Try using some
perspective yourself, Dave.

I've lived in both places. Portland over reacts to low rain. It wasn't too
long ago you were building dikes to keep the downtown from flooding. It
might be dry and sunny there this year. Just put it in perspective: your
tomato crops will be fantastic.

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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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"Skip Elliott Bowman" wrote in message
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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In Arizona we've been under drought conditions for ten years. We got
your rain this year, almost as much as we would get in an entire year,
and it's helped to a degree with filling up our resevoirs and aquifer.

Actually, Phoenix has had more rain than Portland so far this year.

Yes, I believe it has. Kinda what I was saying. We got your rain.

Everywhere else is getting our rain.

I'm sure your ecosystem will handle it just fine, like our deserts handle
occaissional floods without rotting out. Look at tree growth rings some
time. The older ones have handled decades of droughts.

Some did--millions didn't.

2 - Just because we got all this rain should we start worrying about a
deluge and build an ark? Put it in perspective and enjoy the sunshine
for a change. You'll have plenty of gloom again.

If Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe has massive flooding (the drains there are
built for drought conditions, not constant rain)

You have no frigging clue what you are talking about. We've had no
flooding here this year, and we've had 7 times the rain in a few short
days than we normally have during the first part of the year. All they had
to do was open a few dams and let the excess through. BTW - the storm
drains here, unlike Portland, are built to handle large amounts of water
in a short period of time because that's what happens here. The only bad
flooding we ever had was over twenty years ago, and that's been solved.

First of all, I said IF. Second of all, are you asserting that the
possibility of floods in Phoenix doesn't exist?

and you do need to build an ark,
from where do you think the wood will originate? Sedona?

Home Depot.

And where does HD get the wood?

We have put it into perspective, and the prognosis sucks. You should
realize that even if you lived in Death Valley. Try using some
perspective yourself, Dave.

I've lived in both places. Portland over reacts to low rain. It wasn't too
long ago you were building dikes to keep the downtown from flooding.

Were you here, Dave? Downtown Portland was in real danger of flooding.
Oregon City did in fact have massive floods (businesses awash and many
ruined); the Tualatin Hills suffered from landslides--and insurance won't
cover those. And you thought we overreacted, eh?

It
might be dry and sunny there this year. Just put it in perspective: your
tomato crops will be fantastic.

Is that the only thing you think this means, Dave? A good tomato crop?

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(ship)

We have put it into perspective, and the prognosis sucks. You should

realize that even if you lived in Death Valley. Try using some
perspective
yourself, Dave.


It's foolish to think we can predict extremes in climate, especially
for this area. We have no idea what kind of drought and heat Oregon has
gone through in the past 50,000 years. Everybody's flipping out and
linking the recent lack of precip with global warming. This kind of
'abnormal' weather is perfectly normal and part of the natural climate
cycle in the northwest.

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(ship)

We have put it into perspective, and the prognosis sucks. You should

realize that even if you lived in Death Valley. Try using some
perspective
yourself, Dave.


It's foolish to think we can predict extremes in climate, especially
for this area. We have no idea what kind of drought and heat Oregon has
gone through in the past 50,000 years. Everybody's flipping out and
linking the recent lack of precip with global warming. This kind of
'abnormal' weather is perfectly normal and part of the natural climate
cycle in the northwest.

It's still cause for concern. Just because water is flowing out of your tap
doesn't mean we should just pretend like everything is fine.

And in fact, we can tell Oregon's history of weather and
ecological/geological phenomena. Watch OPB tonight at 8 pm--they're
broadcasting a 3-hour special on this very subject.

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I will, but there are very few trees rings that go back 50,000 years.
And I seriously doubt glacial and/or soil core samples will show a few
years of drought and high temps.

Our water situation is getting blown out of proportion.