Hurricane Bush
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:
This one's a classic:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to manufacture
evidence to support their insane fear of Bush. But keep it up - having
lost everything else, they need something to keep 'em off the streets...

Hurricane Bush
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:
This one's a classic:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ngvacation.htm

This is a more prosaic account:

Katrina forecasters were remarkably accurate Levee breaks, catastrophic
damage predicted, contrary to Bush claims

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:39 p.m. ET Sept. 16, 2005
MIAMI - For all the criticism of the Bush administration's confused
response to Hurricane Katrina, at least two federal agencies got it
right: the National Weather Service and the National Hurricane Center.

They forecast the path of the storm and the potential for devastation
with remarkable accuracy.

The performance by the two agencies calls into question claims by
President Bush and others in his administration that Katrina was a
catastrophe that no one envisioned.

For example, Bush told ABC on Sep. 1 that "I don't think anybody
anticipated the breach of the levees." In its storm warnings, the
hurricane center never used the word "breached." But a day before
Katrina came ashore Aug. 29, the agency warned in capital letters:
"SOME LEVEES IN THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA COULD BE OVERTOPPED."

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield also gave daily
pre-storm videoconference briefings to federal officials in Washington,
warning them of a nightmare scenario of New Orleans' levees not
holding, winds smashing windows in high-rise buildings and flooding
wiping out large swaths of the Gulf Coast.

A photo on the White House Web site shows Bush in Crawford, Texas,
watching Mayfield give a briefing on Aug. 28, a day before Katrina
smashed ashore with 145-mph winds.

'Incredible' human suffering predicted
The National Weather Service office in Slidell, La., which covers the
New Orleans area, put out its own warnings that day, saying, "MOST OF
THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS ... PERHAPS LONGER" and
predicting "HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS."

Mayfield and Paul Trotter, the meteorologist in charge of the Slidell
office, both refused to criticize the federal response.

But Mayfield said: "The fact that we had a major hurricane forecast
over or near New Orleans is reason for great concern. The local and
state emergency management knew that as well as FEMA did."

And the risk to New Orleans in particular was well-recognized long
before Katrina.

"The 33 years that I've been at the hurricane center we have always
been saying - the directors before me and I have always said - that
the greatest potential for the nightmare scenarios, in the Gulf of
Mexico anyway, is that New Orleans and southeast Louisiana area,"
Mayfield said.

Heeding Mayfield's warnings, FEMA conducted a 'Hurricane Pam'
exercise 13 months before Katrina struck to assess how New Orleans
would handle a theoretical Category 3 hurricane. The exercise predicted
a gap in the levee system would flood major portions of the city and
damage as much as 87 percent of New Orleans' homes.

The hurricane center and the weather service have not been without
critics. Some private meteorologists laud the accurate forecasts but
wonder why those dire predictions were not issued earlier. They also
argue that residents were bombarded with too much information from
several sources.

Storm-track projections on target
As early as three days before Katrina pulverized the Gulf Coast, the
hurricane center warned that New Orleans was in the Category 4
hurricane's path. Storm-track projections released to the public more
than two days (56 hours) before Katrina came ashore were off by only
about 15 miles - and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to
the right before hitting land just to the east of New Orleans.

That is better than the average 48-hour error of about 160 miles and
24-hour error of about 85 miles.

Two days before the storm hit, the hurricane center predicted
Katrina's strength at landfall; the agency was off the mark by only
about 10 mph. That kind of accuracy is unusual, because forecasters
find it particularly difficult to predict whether a storm will
strengthen or weaken.


The next day, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory
evacuation of the city after speaking with Bush. Katrina had been
updated to a Category 5 storm with NOAA predicting coastal storm surge
flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels.

AccuWeather Inc. senior meteorologist Michael Steinberg said emergency
managers and the public could have been given an earlier warning of
Katrina's threat to New Orleans. He said the private company had
issued forecasts nearly 12 hours earlier than the hurricane center
warning that Katrina was aiming at the area.

He said that difference was significant because it would have given
more daylight hours for evacuations.

Mayfield said hurricane watches and warnings are issued to give 36 and
24 hours' notice, respectively. Lengthening that time could mean
larger areas than necessary would be evacuated, he said. That could
cause larger traffic jams and put people in danger of being stuck on
the road when the hurricane hit.

Trotter also wanted to make sure the public knew of the Category 4
hurricane's threat beforehand. His forecasters publicly warned that a
hurricane of that magnitude could cause widespread destruction of
buildings, hurl small cars into the air and cause the levee system to
fail.

But Trotter went even further and called Katrina "A MOST POWERFUL
HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH ... RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF
HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969." That storm wiped some towns off the map
along the Gulf Coast and killed 256 people.

Warning phone calls to governors, mayors
Mayfield also did something he rarely does before a hurricane hits: He
personally called the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana and New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin two days ahead of time to warn them about the
monstrous hurricane. Nagin has said he ordered an evacuation because
Mayfield's call "scared the hell" out of him.

"I just wanted to be able to go to sleep that night knowing I had
done everything I could," Mayfield said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/

Hurricane Bush
 

Bob Harrington wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote:

A classic example of the kookloon left once again having to manufacture
evidence to support their insane fear

You have been reading this sort of thing presumably:

"Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the
United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in
public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the
billions of dollars.

This government organization has more power than the President of the
United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move
entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and
hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies,
transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it
was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress.

It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order.

No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency,
they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which
stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally
conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by
President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George
Bush Administrations.

FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the
survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear
attack on this nation.

It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body
during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and
hurricanes."

..... and suspecting I am so inclined?

Like most people in and outside the USA, I am shocked but not suprised
what that monkey on the hill has led your country and its allies into.
I'd like to kick Tony B.Liar's arse; hard!

But your monkey is such a comic target.

As for the information I have posted. I gleaned most of from the BBC
and main ITV news channels. I doubt their partisan twists on the events
are coloured by much more than the usual suspects:

The desire to capture headlines and over egg the slice of the cake they
get a hold of. The superficial slants guided by stunned anger at
useless and inexplicable horror.

That site loses sight of the tracks in the next lines but for all I
know it is just as accurate whatever degree ythat could be:

"Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col.
Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the
Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan
institutions.

FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a
rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute
for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas."

One does tend to wonder at all the gunfire and unco-ordinated activity
in Louisiana recently. I wonder too when this web-page was written:
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

It's obviously all untrue:

"One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up
operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of
local or state authorities."

.....So why wait so long before implementing any federal aid following
the hurricane?

Hurricane Bush
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:

Katrina forecasters were remarkably accurate Levee breaks, catastrophic
damage predicted, contrary to Bush claims

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:39 p.m. ET Sept. 16, 2005
MIAMI - For all the criticism of the Bush administration's confused
response to Hurricane Katrina, at least two federal agencies got it
right: the National Weather Service and the National Hurricane Center.

They forecast the path of the storm and the potential for devastation
with remarkable accuracy.

The performance by the two agencies calls into question claims by
President Bush and others in his administration that Katrina was a
catastrophe that no one envisioned.

For example, Bush told ABC on Sep. 1 that "I don't think anybody
anticipated the breach of the levees."

Brown Blames La. Governor, N.O. Mayor


Tuesday September 27, 2005 3:46 PM

AP Photo NY108

By LARA JAKES JORDAN

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former FEMA director Michael Brown aggressively
defended his role in responding to Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday and put
much of the blame for coordination failures on Louisiana Gov. Kathleen
Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.

``I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Gov.
Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and
work together,'' he told a congressional panel. ``I just couldn't pull
that off.''

Brown, who for many became a symbol of government failures in the
natural disaster that claimed the lives of more than 1,000 people,
rejected accusations that he was too inexperienced for the job.

``I've overseen over 150 presidentially declared disasters. I know what
I'm doing, and I think I do a pretty darn good job of it,'' Brown said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...305703,00.html

What 150 presidentially declared disasters?

And perhaps more importantly: What happened next?

Meanwhile, in the West Wing (they will never sell another series of
that will they?) the President, bloated on banana skins and slipping on
monkey poo, voids his cavity of plantains in preparation for his next
holiday.

Hurricane storm tracks
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:

Storm-track projections on target:

As early as three days before Katrina pulverized the Gulf Coast, the
hurricane center warned that New Orleans was in the Category 4
hurricane's path. Storm-track projections released to the public more
than two days (56 hours) before Katrina came ashore were off by only
about 15 miles - and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to
the right before hitting land just to the east of New Orleans.

That is better than the average 48-hour error of about 160 miles and
24-hour error of about 85 miles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/

The thought just occurred to me that I would like to see the tracks of
tropical and other ocean storms overlaid on maps of the sea floors.

I have never come accros such things but I can't think why there are
none on the net. It seems to me just as simple an image to produce as
the commonplace one of depicting their tracks at sea level.

I was going throught the original thread this post is from when the
above thought occurred to me. Is there anything like that out there?
Anyone know?

This is what crossed my mind:
Storm-track projections released more before Katrina came ashore
were off by only about 15 miles...

....and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to the right...

East of New Orleans is a large body of water. Did the hurricane steer
towards that? If so, why?

And don't just quote contemporary theory.

Hurricane storm tracks
 

Simple- There are very few maps of the ocean floor, because it has yet to be
surveyed.
Maps (charts) exist based on old lead line soundings and single channel echo
soundings, and now satellite altimeter and gravity data (NOAA-Geos series).
All of which are very poor renditions of the actual seafloor, while maps of
the surfaces of Mars and Luna cover their entire spheres those of Earth do
not provide coverage of the 72% that lie beneath the seas!
Cheers,
pete

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
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Weatherlawyer wrote:

Storm-track projections on target:

As early as three days before Katrina pulverized the Gulf Coast, the
hurricane center warned that New Orleans was in the Category 4
hurricane's path. Storm-track projections released to the public more
than two days (56 hours) before Katrina came ashore were off by only
about 15 miles - and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to
the right before hitting land just to the east of New Orleans.

That is better than the average 48-hour error of about 160 miles and
24-hour error of about 85 miles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/

The thought just occurred to me that I would like to see the tracks of
tropical and other ocean storms overlaid on maps of the sea floors.

I have never come accros such things but I can't think why there are
none on the net. It seems to me just as simple an image to produce as
the commonplace one of depicting their tracks at sea level.

I was going throught the original thread this post is from when the
above thought occurred to me. Is there anything like that out there?
Anyone know?

This is what crossed my mind:
Storm-track projections released more before Katrina came ashore
were off by only about 15 miles...

...and only because the hurricane made a slight turn to the right...

East of New Orleans is a large body of water. Did the hurricane steer
towards that? If so, why?

And don't just quote contemporary theory.

Hurricane storm tracks
 

Pete wrote:

There are very few maps of the ocean floor, because it has yet to be surveyed.

Maps (charts) exist based on old lead line soundings and single channel echo
soundings, and now satellite altimeter and gravity data (NOAA-Geos series).
All of which are very poor renditions of the actual seafloor,

Pity you top posted and I can't be arsed to edit it properly -but then,
who cares?

Concerning your claim that the sea floor is mapped using plonkers, that
is a bit rich.

Echo soundings do you mean?

Either way there is a lot to do and improvements will not be made until
someone makes a start. Is it asking too much perhaps that someone with
a little skill at a paint shop programme might interfere with the
earth's axis?

Would the whole world stop turning if someone tried it?

Maybe. People believe incredible things. Mind you; one could look to
the top of the tree at the White House for proof of evolution....

Hurricane storm tracks
 

Incisive, creative thought is always appreciated.
So is top posting.
Go away.

Weatherlawyer wrote:

Pete wrote:


There are very few maps of the ocean floor, because it has yet to be surveyed.


Maps (charts) exist based on old lead line soundings and single channel echo
soundings, and now satellite altimeter and gravity data (NOAA-Geos series).
All of which are very poor renditions of the actual seafloor,


Pity you top posted and I can't be arsed to edit it properly -but then,
who cares?

Concerning your claim that the sea floor is mapped using plonkers, that
is a bit rich.

Echo soundings do you mean?

Either way there is a lot to do and improvements will not be made until
someone makes a start. Is it asking too much perhaps that someone with
a little skill at a paint shop programme might interfere with the
earth's axis?

Would the whole world stop turning if someone tried it?

Maybe. People believe incredible things. Mind you; one could look to
the top of the tree at the White House for proof of evolution....



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Hurricane storm tracks
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:

snip

East of New Orleans is a large body of water. Did the hurricane steer
towards that? If so, why?

And don't just quote contemporary theory.


No. It just looked like the hurricane steered towards the body of water
because Jesus wanted the hurricane to destroy Trent Lott's summer home.

There's actually a better reason, but from the tone of your post I gather
you aren't interested in rational thought.

--
Bill Asher

Hurricane storm tracks
 

William Asher wrote:

There's actually a better reason, but from the tone of your post I gather
you aren't interested in rational thought.

Does it involve statistics?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...f24926f52f6566

The major problem with such uses is that algorithms do not explain how certain things occur. They are more concerned with probabilities than facts.