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Weatherlawyer December 3rd 06 11:24 PM

Hey.
 
I just noticed this run:
Nov 28 06:29 Dec 5 00:25 Dec 12 14:32
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...hases2001.html

For the unwashed this is the code:

(I have to repeat this every so often as the more knowledgeable among
you tend to lack insight and find the idea of new ideas far from
ideal.)

OK, the wet weather in the NW Atlantic basin occurs off the UK with a
Low at the appropriate longitude and latitude off Iceland or points
south to Spain. Where the Low is is governed by the harmonic set up by
the astrometry that also times the phases of the moon.

And for the above appears to be when the phase is around 1:30 am or pm.
A little earlier and the weather is still wet but not so intense. A
little earlier still it is more like drizzle or mist, and yet earlier
still and it is fine.

The code goes roughly like this:

5 am or pm and it is anticyclonic.
1:30 am or pm very wet.
6 or 12 am or pm misty.

And this run of spells is for misty. Or rather they all just miss that
spell by 30 minutes. (Well last weeks and this weeks does. !4:32 is
more like an hour out. Except it is a weak spell in my not
inconsiderable opinion.)

Looks interesting is what I mean. What it is is something like half way
to another severe typhoon and the typhoons seem to drag with them a
series of large mag quakes. If that happens, the cyclones in the North
Atlantic will go north again and not break on Norway and dissipate. A
situation akin to a negative NAO.

So we have two half past misties and a half way to thunder coming up.

I would like to stay up and discuss this further but one has work on
the morrow and thus needs to retire and cogitate as there is no longer
time to do the thing properly and vegetate.


George December 3rd 06 11:41 PM

Hey.
 

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
I just noticed this run:
Nov 28 06:29 Dec 5 00:25 Dec 12 14:32
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...hases2001.html

For the unwashed this is the code:


Oh wait. Let me get out my magic decoder ring. Ok, I'm ready. Hey wait.
Where'd it all go? Darn. I deleted it.

George



Ja ♥ December 4th 06 12:07 AM

Hey.
 
weather is unpredictable as are lawyers.

George wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
I just noticed this run:
Nov 28 06:29 Dec 5 00:25 Dec 12 14:32
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...hases2001.html

For the unwashed this is the code:


Oh wait. Let me get out my magic decoder ring. Ok, I'm ready. Hey wait.
Where'd it all go? Darn. I deleted it.

George



Weatherlawyer December 4th 06 03:22 AM

Hey.
 

Ja ♥ wrote:
weather is unpredictable as are lawyers.


Particularly so in my case this year. ot dissimilar in many ways to the
state of democracy in the Americas. Take Venezuela for example The USA
should be pleased as punch that democracy has been alive and thriving
in that example of popularism.

But what do we find in The Land Of The Free? A garrison town in George
a dedicated not to improving the lot of banana republics everywhere,
but rather the reverse.

And is it different in more sober states?

Nope. Whilst hundred and hundreds of people die in a mudslide and one
of the worst spates of typhoons in decades, the British news over runs
due to a fire in a fireworks factory.

I'm not decrying the situation here where two firemen died but prior to
that the BBC for example was concerned with the death of a spy, the
situation with US airlines in the snow, an Australian cricket match and


And well that was it really.

However all is not lost. There is still the internet. And whilst for
some the weather is off topic in a newsgroup dedicated to earthquakes,
one of us is concerned with the holistic approach.

And takes the time to bother with the deaths of over a thousand.


George December 4th 06 03:50 AM

Hey.
 

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
ups.com...

Ja ? wrote:
weather is unpredictable as are lawyers.


Particularly so in my case this year. ot dissimilar in many ways to the
state of democracy in the Americas. Take Venezuela for example The USA
should be pleased as punch that democracy has been alive and thriving
in that example of popularism.

But what do we find in The Land Of The Free? A garrison town in George
a dedicated not to improving the lot of banana republics everywhere,
but rather the reverse.

And is it different in more sober states?

Nope. Whilst hundred and hundreds of people die in a mudslide and one
of the worst spates of typhoons in decades, the British news over runs
due to a fire in a fireworks factory.

I'm not decrying the situation here where two firemen died but prior to
that the BBC for example was concerned with the death of a spy, the
situation with US airlines in the snow, an Australian cricket match and


And well that was it really.

However all is not lost. There is still the internet. And whilst for
some the weather is off topic in a newsgroup dedicated to earthquakes,
one of us is concerned with the holistic approach.

And takes the time to bother with the deaths of over a thousand.

Sorry to burst your bubble:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6203110.stm

George



Weatherlawyer December 9th 06 09:33 PM

Hey.
 

Weatherlawyer wrote:

Nov 28 06:29 Dec 5 00:25 Dec 12 14:32
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...hases2001.html

The code goes roughly like this:

5 am or pm and it is anticyclonic.
1:30 am or pm very wet.
6 or 12 am or pm misty.

And this run of spells is for misty. Or rather they all just miss that
spell by 30 minutes. (Well last weeks and this weeks does. !4:32 is
more like an hour out. Except it is a weak spell.)


(Of its kind, ilk, species..)

Looks interesting is what I mean. What it is is something like half way
to another severe typhoon and the typhoons seem to drag with them a
series of large mag quakes. If that happens, the cyclones in the North
Atlantic will go north again and not break on Norway and dissipate. A
situation akin to a negative NAO.

So we have two half past misties and a half way to thunder coming up.


As Typhoon Utor prepares to find somewhere in the Philippines not
already devastated by Durain, some here might care to peruse these
splatters:

2.6 59.258 -152.813 SOUTHERN ALASKA
3.9 60.147 -153.192 SOUTHERN ALASKA
3.7 60.165 -153.138 SOUTHERN ALASKA

2.6 62.092 -151.294 CENTRAL ALASKA

3.3 53.675 -163.879 UNIMAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA
3.3 53.614 -163.721 UNIMAK ISLAND REGION, ALASKA

2.9 31.846 -116.356 BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO
4.3 31.794 -116.312 BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO

See also:
HANOI, Dec. 6 (Xinhua) -- Typhoon Durian in Vietnam had killed 50
people and left 55 others missing by Tuesday night, local newspaper
Youth reported Wednesday.

The typhoon, which started to hit Vietnam's central region on Monday
night and then swept through its southern region, also injured 409
people, of whom 164 were seriously injured, damaged 119,314 houses, and
caused 888 ships and boats to sink, the newspaper quoted the Central
Steering Committee on Storm and Flood Prevention as reporting.

Durian killed 28 people and left 16 others missing in southern Ba Ria
Vung Tau province. The respective figures were 17 and one in southern
Ben Tre province, and two and 26 in southern Tien Giang province.

The main reason of high fatalities and injury rates was the
subjectivity of local people and inexperience in dealing with typhoon
of local authorities. Deputy Prime Minister Nguyen Sinh Hung criticized
leaders of Ben Tre, Tien Giang, Ba Ria Vung Tau and central Binh Thuan
province for their poor anti-typhoon activities, the newspaper said.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_5442387.htm

And:

CEBU, Philippines (AP) - Two Asian summits scheduled for next week
have been postponed to January because a strong storm is bearing down
on the meeting site, a top Philippine official said Friday.

Marciano Paynor Jr., head of the summit organizing committee, denied
that the decision was driven by the threat of terrorism. The U.S.,
Britain and Australia had warned Thursday that terrorists might be in
the final stages of planning an attack during the Association of
Southeast Asian Nations and East Asia summits in Cebu.

"Categorically I will state that the decision was based on this weather
disturbance and this weather disturbance only," Paynor told a news
conference, adding there was a 70% chance that the storm would hit Cebu
province.

The storm is expected to hit the area when Asian leaders would be
flying in over the weekend, Paynor said. The ASEAN summit was scheduled
to be held Monday and Tuesday, followed by the second East Asia summit
on Wednesday.

Military chief of staff Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said the 10,000-strong
security contingent was prepared for anything.

"The assessment is that we have deployed enough security forces and,
minus the weather, we are confident we could hold it," Esperon said.

Paynor said Tropical Storm Utor had just been upgraded to a typhoon,
but Prisco Nilo, acting chief of the Philippine weather bureau, later
said it had not reached that criteria as of late Friday.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurr...lippines_x.htm


Weatherlawyer December 10th 06 12:43 AM

Voices from the gave. (Long post and no apology.)
 
Edited from:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.g...8c3b924528173c

1
From: Michael Mcneil Date: Thurs, Jan 27 2005 11:51 pm

2005/01/27

04.89N 82.54W 4.7 SOUTH OF PANAMA
05.56N 94.36E 5.8 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
08.02N 94.15E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.15E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.90N 94.33E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.10N 93.98E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.96N 94.17E 5.2 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.30E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.02E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.02E 5.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.98N 94.03E 5.7 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.89N 93.96E 5.3 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.03N 93.95E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
27.23N 140.34E 4.9 BONIN ISLANDS, JAPAN REGION
14.01N 91.86W 4.4 GUATEMALA

2005/01/26

08.05N 94.09E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.04N 94.08E 4.6 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
02.91N 94.43E 6.1 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
07.99N 94.07E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
06.87S 129.54E 5.5 BANDA SEA
08.30N 93.98E 5.6 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
03.23N 96.23E 5.1 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
07.99N 94.31E 4.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.07N 94.29E 4.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.84N 93.69E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
45.97N 151.86E 4.5 KURIL ISLANDS
04.65N 93.26E 4.7 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
61.47N 151.50W 3.8 SOUTHERN ALASKA
05.40N 92.90E 4.6 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
08.09N 94.12E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
24.59S 179.67E 466.4 4.8 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS

Is there a cyclone in the region? A super typhoon?

10
From: Roger Stanley Dubok - Date: Sat, Jan 29 2005 12:09 am

Very interesting, please tell me more.

11
From: Roger Stanley Dubok Date: Sat, Jan 29 2005 12:08 am

No he doesn't agree?

So what are your methods?

Roger Stanley Dubok

"Michael Mcneil" wrote in
news:55c96a6e571a471bdbd3704c3d50df37.45219@mygate .mailgate.org:

...first arm yourself with the logic Newton used as propounded by the
great thinkers of his time:


An object will not move until it is moved;
having moved will not stop until it is stopped
all the above actions have counter-actions.


12
From: Michael Mcneil Date: Sat, Jan 29 2005 10:35 am

"Roger Stanley Dubok" wrote in message


No he doesn't agree?
So what are your methods?


What does seem true is that a run of lunar phases that in the normal
course of events tend to induce a certain sort of weather, will if
there
is a run of them,
[as for example he
Daren 11S SWI 17 January 21 January 45 40
Ernest 12S SWI 20 January 24 January 100 90
Tim 13S AUS 23 January 25 January 40 45
Felapi - SWI 27 January 28 January - 35

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/.../january.html]
induce some sort of powerful harmonic associated with
super-typhoons (F4 or 5 Hurricanes) or a spate of destructive
tornadoes.

Other give-aways are also weather related -as for instance when a long
standing (by UK terms) weather system breaks, usually having held off
an
occluded front building up in the Atlantic until it moves over to
Norway
or the UK.

And yet another method is when one notices a degree of uncertainty
from the presenters of weather forecasts on the news programmes.

In that case provided that the lunar phases accord with the sort of
weather actually occurring, there is likely to be a tropical or
extra tropical storm broaching somewhere on the planet.

If, as is the case at the moment, there is discord then there is likely
to be a large earthquake. However before a large earthquake occurs it
is
"usual" for the run of phases to come to an end. This present run is
not
due to end until the second half of February.

In fact a run of extremely similar lunar phases (such as for example
for
the 25th Jan, 2nd and 8th February [2005] aught to induce an even
stronger
spell or harmonic that I presume will run through the weaker spell on
the 16th.

The problem then is that the phase for the 24th of February is that it
should induce marked anticyclonic weather. But that is exactly the sort
of weather we are already having.)

If you take a look at the weather in the UK for 1976 however, you will
notice that there was a long spell of very hot weather that summer
bringing drought to a lot of the Sahel and most unusually to parts of
the UK. When the drought in the UK broke there was a large earthquake
in
Chile.

Almost none of the lunar phases for that summer would have warned of a
drought. Small wonder then that the so called experts have rejected any
comments that the moon may have some relationship to weather or
earthquakes.

Smaller wonder too, that despite throwing money at geologists
and their kin, none of the finest brains in that branch of academia
outside of China (where a more holistic approach has proved effective
at
times) none of them has come up with anything useful.

Nothing even remotely interesting in fact.

Well, you may find beach balls interesting. (Not my cup of tea though.)

Here is something I prepared earlier:

This phase is the second or last quarter JAN 03 17:46

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/.../browse_frm/th...

03 January 17:43. Unsettled, overcast and breezy.

10 January 12:04. Unsettled and overcast.

17 January 07:00. Fine, high pressure. Actually rain.
**************************************
25January 10:33. Ridges cols or troughs
Be nice if it is just Mount St Helens:
**************************************
02 February 07:25. Ridges cols or troughs

08 February 22:30. Ridges cols or troughs (Talk about vague; eh? How
about the next one)

16 February 00:20. Unsettled, overcast and high wind but heading
towards
ridges cols or troughs.

24 February 04:55. Fine, high pressure. Look out for something nasty
somewhere on the planet around this week. Either that or it will carry
through with the unsettled stuff and... God help us all in May.

Or as it now looks likely:

Either that or it will carry through with the anticylonic stuff and...
God help us all in May.

[I can't remember off hand exactly what happened in May but the North
Atlantic Oscillation took a nose dive from around April when the whole
of the northern hemisphere except for Ireland and the UK were covered
in snow. This negative NAO situation persisted until very recently]

29
From: Michael Mcneil Date: Fri, Jan 28 2005 11:29 am

"Michael Mcneil" wrote in message

news:d218a52078832351d09809af7cf75b2b.45219@mygate .mailgate.org

And the beat goes on with more fairly high mag quakes in the Nicobar
Islands region so far today.

Is there a cyclone in the region? A super typhoon?


I was not expecting to find a cyclone in the area as it is so close to
the equator. Anyone who knows anything about the behaviour of the sun
and moon will appreciate what I mean.

However there seems to be precious little going on anywhe

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/comp/cmoll/cmoll.html

Rather a slow download if you are dialup but well worth waiting for.

I wonder how these things relate to anticyclonic activity. Are the
aurorae still flaring?

30
From: George Date: Fri, Jan 28 2005 11:54 am

Thanks for proving yourself wrong, once again. Looks like you did the
work for us.

33
From: Roger Stanley Dubok Date: Sat, Jan 29 2005 12:13 am

So if there isn't anything precious going on, then why did these quakes
happen?

34
From: Michael Mcneil Date: Sat, Jan 29 2005 9:18 am

I did not state that earthquakes are caused by cyclones. I have notice
a
coincidence between large quakes and cyclonic activity (no more and no
less.) As it happens there were a couple of cyclones broaching
Madagascar
apparently around that time. I couldn't see anything about them though.

There looked to be something off southern Australia too but that one
(if
there was one) was off the map.

What makes these Nicobar quakes unusual is that they are unusual.

There was a spate of similar ones just after the Banda Atjeh disaster.
(There were no others reported on the same NEIC site for that day.)

35
From: Michael Mcneil Date: Sun, Jan 30 2005 10:25 am
2005/01/27


04.89N 82.54W 4.7 SOUTH OF PANAMA
05.56N 94.36E 5.8 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
08.02N 94.15E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.15E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.90N 94.33E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.10N 93.98E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.96N 94.17E 5.2 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.30E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.02E 5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.97N 94.02E 5.0 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.98N 94.03E 5.7 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.89N 93.96E 5.3 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.03N 93.95E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
27.23N 140.34E 4.9 BONIN ISLANDS, JAPAN REGION
14.01N 91.86W 4.4 GUATEMALA


2005/01/26


08.05N 94.09E 5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.04N 94.08E 4.6 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
02.91N 94.43E 6.1 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
07.99N 94.07E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
06.87S 129.54E 5.5 BANDA SEA
08.30N 93.98E 5.6 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
03.23N 96.23E 5.1 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
07.99N 94.31E 4.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
08.07N 94.29E 4.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
07.84N 93.69E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
45.97N 151.86E 4.5 KURIL ISLANDS
04.65N 93.26E 4.7 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
61.47N 151.50W 3.8 SOUTHERN ALASKA
05.40N 92.90E 4.6 OFF W COAST OF N SUMATRA
08.09N 94.12E 4.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
24.59S 179.67E 466.4 4.8 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
Well we can always fight among ourselves.


It is not so much strange as interesting that almost every quake since
the big one has been in the area devastated.

And no sign of them abating:

5.8 SIMEULUE, INDONESIA
5.4 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.1 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.4 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.2 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
4.3 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
5.9 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
6.3 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
5.4 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.0 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.2 NEW BRITAIN REGION, P.N.G.
6.1 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
6.0 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA

5.8 MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
6.2 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.6 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.3 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.6 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.7 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.9 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.9 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.5 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.4 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
6.3 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
6.2 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
6.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.7 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.7 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
7.5 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
6.1 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.9 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
6.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA
5.9 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA REGION
5.8 NORTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA
9.0 OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/.../browse_frm/th...

[You can see from the quality of the discussions -as for example, with
the fool below; that I was somewhat loath to respond to more than a few
posts in this thread. Matters seem to have resolved themselves somewhat
since, with the like of Felix Tilley doing me a great favour in placing
my posts in his kill file filters. Why it took him so long is
anyone's guess.]

36
From: George Date: Sun, Jan 30 2005 12:10 pm

Northern California, Mindinao Phillipines, and New Britain are not in
the area of
the December 26th earthquake.

[If only he had the ability to read between the lines, he might notice
one or two other lines:
"It is not so much strange as interesting that almost every
quake since
the big one has been in the area devastated."

All the above tended to sidetrack anyone interested in a discussion
about the frequency of typhoons and hurricanes of rather large
proportions at around the time of large magnitude quakes or series of
swarms of them.

But it's never too late.]


Weatherlawyer December 10th 06 12:47 AM

"Voices from the grave" I meant.
 
Just a spelling correction to the title.

A lot of people have died since I first mooted this idea and where has
science taken us? The brink of discovery?

Alas....
.....no!


George December 11th 06 11:45 AM

Voices from the gave. (Long post and no apology.)
 

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
ups.com...
Edited from:


snip What is a "gave", and why are there voices coming from it? :-)

George



George December 11th 06 11:46 AM

"Voices from the grave" I meant.
 

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just a spelling correction to the title.

A lot of people have died since I first mooted this idea and where has
science taken us? The brink of discovery?

Alas....
....no!


Maybe you bored them to death. Shame on you!

George




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