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Weatherlawyer December 17th 07 11:01 AM

10:17
 
17th December 10:17 and we are starting with a clean slate.

No major earthquakes and no major tropical storms. Low pressure
brackets the US and a number of Highs sit over the continent.

On the Atlantic chart very high pressure extends into Britain from
Scandinavia.and a couple of low systems extend southwards over the
North Atlantic Ridge form Greenland. Looks like volcanic activity is
going to dominate this spell.

You may wish to compare and keep an eye on hehttp://
http://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/us...ontent=archive
and this one for fear of tornadic stuff:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/wwa/

Previous similar spells:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgx44d4z_4hhz974mx

2002

10 to 17 Jul 2002 10:26*

1 to 8 Aug 2002 10:22

15 to 22 Aug 2002 10:12*
22 31 Aug 2002 22:29

Name Identifier Basin Start/End Date 10-minute MSW (knots)

Chata'an 08W NWP 28 June 11 July Cat 2 95
Rammasun 09W NWP 28 June 06 July Cat 2 85
Halong 10W NWP 07 July 16 July Cat 2 85
Fengshen 12W NWP 14 July 27 July Cat 3 100
Fung-wong 14W NWP 20 July 27 July Cat 1 75
Phanfone 19W NWP 11 21 August Cat 2 85

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...02/august.html
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...ification.html

Saffir-Simpson Scale

Cat One: 64-82 knots.

Cat Two: 83-95 knots.

Cat Three: 96-113 knots.

Cat Four: 114-135 knots.

Cat Five: Winds greater than 135 knots.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml


Basin name abbreviations:-
NWP : North-West Pacific (west of 180°E)
NEP : North-East Pacific (east of 180°E)
NAT : North Atlantic
NI : North Indian (west of Malay Peninsula)
SWI : South-West Indian (west of 90°E)
AUS : Australian (east of 90°E)

1-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 1 minute
(JTWC Hawaii, NHC Miami, CPHC Hawaii)
10-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 10 minutes
(JMA Japan, southern hemisphere RSMCs and TCWCs)

2003

18 to 25 Jan 2003 10:48
No tropical storms reported he
http://www.gdacs.org/cyclones/
Seems to have been a period of weak fronts according to:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...tart=3000&sa=N

But there were a couple of large quakes. So it's worth looking closer:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...OScOLOIA&hl=en

01 02 03 10:48

18 03 03 10:34
30 Dec 2003 to 7 Jan 2004 10:03
Some sleet and snow with a lot of overcast by the look of things
hehttp://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...wse_frm/month/
2004-01

Weatherlawyer December 17th 07 11:02 AM

10:17
 
Oops, silly me, I forgot the cross post.

On Dec 17, 12:01 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
17th December 10:17 and we are starting with a clean slate.

No major earthquakes and no major tropical storms. Low pressure
brackets the US and a number of Highs sit over the continent.

On the Atlantic chart very high pressure extends into Britain from
Scandinavia.and a couple of low systems extend southwards over the
North Atlantic Ridge form Greenland. Looks like volcanic activity is
going to dominate this spell.

You may wish to compare and keep an eye on hehttp://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/us...ontent=archive
and this one for fear of tornadic stuff:http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/wwa/

Previous similar spells:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgx44d4z_4hhz974mx

2002

10 to 17 Jul 2002 10:26*

1 to 8 Aug 2002 10:22

15 to 22 Aug 2002 10:12*
22 31 Aug 2002 22:29

Name Identifier Basin Start/End Date 10-minute MSW (knots)

Chata'an 08W NWP 28 June 11 July Cat 2 95
Rammasun 09W NWP 28 June 06 July Cat 2 85
Halong 10W NWP 07 July 16 July Cat 2 85
Fengshen 12W NWP 14 July 27 July Cat 3 100
Fung-wong 14W NWP 20 July 27 July Cat 1 75
Phanfone 19W NWP 11 21 August Cat 2 85

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...ification.html

Saffir-Simpson Scale

Cat One: 64-82 knots.

Cat Two: 83-95 knots.

Cat Three: 96-113 knots.

Cat Four: 114-135 knots.

Cat Five: Winds greater than 135 knots.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml

Basin name abbreviations:-
NWP : North-West Pacific (west of 180°E)
NEP : North-East Pacific (east of 180°E)
NAT : North Atlantic
NI : North Indian (west of Malay Peninsula)
SWI : South-West Indian (west of 90°E)
AUS : Australian (east of 90°E)

1-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 1 minute
(JTWC Hawaii, NHC Miami, CPHC Hawaii)
10-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 10 minutes
(JMA Japan, southern hemisphere RSMCs and TCWCs)

2003

18 to 25 Jan 2003 10:48
No tropical storms reported hehttp://www.gdacs.org/cyclones/
Seems to have been a period of weak fronts according to:http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...m/month/2003-1...

But there were a couple of large quakes. So it's worth looking closer:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...OScOLOIA&hl=en

01 02 03 10:48

18 03 03 10:34
30 Dec 2003 to 7 Jan 2004 10:03
Some sleet and snow with a lot of overcast by the look of things
hehttp://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...wse_frm/month/
2004-01



Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet December 17th 07 04:47 PM

10:17
 
On Dec 17, 4:02 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
Oops, silly me, I forgot the cross post.

On Dec 17, 12:01 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

17th December 10:17 and we are starting with a clean slate.


No major earthquakes and no major tropical storms. Low pressure
brackets the US and a number of Highs sit over the continent.


On the Atlantic chart very high pressure extends into Britain from
Scandinavia.and a couple of low systems extend southwards over the
North Atlantic Ridge form Greenland. Looks like volcanic activity is
going to dominate this spell.


You may wish to compare and keep an eye on hehttp://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/us...ontent=archive
and this one for fear of tornadic stuff:http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/wwa/


Previous similar spells:http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgx44d4z_4hhz974mx


2002


10 to 17 Jul 2002 10:26*


1 to 8 Aug 2002 10:22


15 to 22 Aug 2002 10:12*
22 31 Aug 2002 22:29


Name Identifier Basin Start/End Date 10-minute MSW (knots)


Chata'an 08W NWP 28 June 11 July Cat 2 95
Rammasun 09W NWP 28 June 06 July Cat 2 85
Halong 10W NWP 07 July 16 July Cat 2 85
Fengshen 12W NWP 14 July 27 July Cat 3 100
Fung-wong 14W NWP 20 July 27 July Cat 1 75
Phanfone 19W NWP 11 21 August Cat 2 85


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/...ulletins/2002/...


Saffir-Simpson Scale


Cat One: 64-82 knots.


Cat Two: 83-95 knots.


Cat Three: 96-113 knots.


Cat Four: 114-135 knots.


Cat Five: Winds greater than 135 knots.


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml


Basin name abbreviations:-
NWP : North-West Pacific (west of 180°E)
NEP : North-East Pacific (east of 180°E)
NAT : North Atlantic
NI : North Indian (west of Malay Peninsula)
SWI : South-West Indian (west of 90°E)
AUS : Australian (east of 90°E)


1-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 1 minute
(JTWC Hawaii, NHC Miami, CPHC Hawaii)
10-minute MSW: Maximum sustained wind (knots) averaged over 10 minutes
(JMA Japan, southern hemisphere RSMCs and TCWCs)


2003


18 to 25 Jan 2003 10:48
No tropical storms reported hehttp://www.gdacs.org/cyclones/
Seems to have been a period of weak fronts according to:http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...m/month/2003-1...


But there were a couple of large quakes. So it's worth looking closer:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...OScOLOIA&hl=en


01 02 03 10:48


18 03 03 10:34
30 Dec 2003 to 7 Jan 2004 10:03
Some sleet and snow with a lot of overcast by the look of things
hehttp://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...wse_frm/month/
2004-01


I took care of that for you and did a re-post crossing it to most all
of the
alt. newsgroups. Don't bother to thanks me I'd have done the same for
anybody
as silly as you claimed to be -- who forgot to cross post.
It's a standard alternative anybody would do given the motivation,
time and prodding.


Weatherlawyer December 17th 07 05:44 PM

10:17
 
On Dec 17, 5:47 pm, Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
wrote:
On Dec 17, 4:02 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Oops, silly me, I forgot the cross post.


I took care of that for you and did a re-post crossing it to most all
of the alt. newsgroups.
Don't bother to thanks me I'd have done the same for anybody
as silly as you claimed to be.


I grasped most of what you meant to say above but would like further
information about the following:

It's a standard alternative anybody would do given the motivation,
time and prodding.


**********

Meanwhile on planet ZOG:
http://weather.unisys.com/ is pretty much what is to be expected as a
standard model in mid winter in the absence of much else happening.

UNLESS...
That really deep low over Labrador/Newfoundland, when it falls over
the edge of the world, causes something interesting.

The durability of such a set up -or any set up in the circumstances
outlined, tends to affirm the correctness of my call.

But even if I get it wrong and that could happen, it is early days yet
and it would be a significant improvement in what we have otherwise -
even of what I was doing previously, if as I suspect, I am calling the
shots here as usual.

What a singularly hard blow though, to natives of the new continent it
will be if I am proven correct. A body would wonder WTFTF were up to.

I hope you don't take it too far amiss when, on my success, I enjoin
you to eat my **** on "all of the alt. newsgroups" that you posted to.

Weatherlawyer December 18th 07 10:21 AM

10:17
 
On Dec 17, 6:44 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

http://weather.unisys.com/ is pretty much what is to be expected as a
standard model in mid winter in the absence of much else happening.

UNLESS...
That really deep low over Labrador/Newfoundland, when it falls over
the edge of the world, causes something interesting.


The deep Atlantic Lows have to go north into the Arctic to ground at
Russia. One off east Greenland is 986 mb, only some 8 or 9 degrees on
a great circle from the High (1045) off Lapland,
http://www.westwind.ch/?link=ukmb,ht...racknell+13 2

Look how deep the one just off Canada is. Bloody Americans!

It's going straight for Greenland, like the last one and that too will
probably head into the Arctic warming the ice up nicely.

I'd got the impression that Arctic winds went east to west. Perhaps
that is only for the stuff that behaves normally?

So, despite the large pressure differences, a negative oscillation.

And more volcanic activity than usual. I think I am on the ball at the
moment.

All I need is proof.



Weatherlawyer December 18th 07 08:55 PM

10:17
 
On Dec 17, 12:01 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
17th December 10:17 and we are starting with a clean slate.

No major earthquakes and no major tropical storms. Low pressure
brackets the US and a number of Highs sit over the continent.

On the Atlantic chart very high pressure extends into Britain from
Scandinavia.and a couple of low systems extend southwards over the
North Atlantic Ridge form Greenland. Looks like volcanic activity is
going to dominate this spell.

You may wish to compare and keep an eye on hehttp://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/us...ontent=archive


This might turn out to prescient:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ng...-marshall.html

No other news on volcanoes so far. But then, the Smithsonian is about
2 weeks late in producing what limited information it can get hold of.
And there is no one lese doing it unless you know which region's group
to look up.

(Which links are to be found in their site given above.)


Weatherlawyer December 19th 07 09:51 AM

10:17
 
On Dec 18, 11:21 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Dec 17, 6:44 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

http://weather.unisys.com/is pretty much what is to be expected as a
standard model in mid winter in the absence of much else happening.


UNLESS...
That really deep low over Labrador/Newfoundland, when it falls over
the edge of the world, causes something interesting.


7.2 (preliminary magnitude.) This time of a phase is unstable. Doubly
so. Anything around 10 or 4 o'clock is hard to predict but being
almost 20 minutes past, for some reason I can't even guess at, is even
harder to clock.

The deep Atlantic Lows have to go north into the Arctic to ground at
Russia. One off east Greenland is 986 mb, only some 8 or 9 degrees on
a great circle from the High (1045) off Lapland,http://www.westwind.ch/?link=ukmb,ht...e/Fax/,.gif,br...

Look how deep the one just off Canada is. Bloody Americans!

It's going straight for Greenland, like the last one and that too will
probably head into the Arctic warming the ice up nicely.

I'd got the impression that Arctic winds went east to west. Perhaps
that is only for the stuff that behaves normally?

So, despite the large pressure differences, a negative oscillation.

And more volcanic activity than usual. I think I am on the ball at the
moment.

All I need is proof.


A 1032 mb High has just slipped into the sea of the east coast of the
USA.
Not volcanic after all.

MAP 7.2 2007/12/19 09:30:31 51.495 -179.473 56.3 ANDREANOF
ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS., ALASKA
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_big.php

Though in about 8 days time I might have a correction. Look at all the
"H"s on
http://weather.unisys.com/
They are lined up almost north to south in 3 sets.

And look at that collection of Lows on the Atlantic map:
http://meteonet.nl/aktueel/brackall.htm

Weatherlawyer December 20th 07 12:17 AM

10:17
 
Fogs and frosts forecast tonight. We had a frosty night last night too
but no significant tropicals to go with it.

Yet:
http://www.hurricanezone.net/#07s

Weatherlawyer December 20th 07 04:44 PM

10:17
 
On Dec 19, 10:51 am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Look at all the "H"s on http://weather.unisys.com/
They are lined up almost north to south in 3 sets.


Another set of Highs hits the coast and:
6.6 NORTH ISLAND OF NEW ZEALAND 2007/12/20

The next set of highs is on the divide so it may be 2 or 3 days
before the next one. Mind, the present set up still has to fully run
out.

Weatherlawyer December 21st 07 07:25 AM

10:17
 
On Dec 20, 5:44 pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Look at all the "H"s onhttp://weather.unisys.com/
They are lined up almost north to south in 3 sets.


The next set of highs is on the divide so it may be 2 or 3 days
before the next one. Mind, the present set up still has to fully run
out.


2007/12/21 07:24
6.1 :36 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS., ALASKA.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_big.php

Those Highs seem easily capable of crossing the US in a day and an
half to two days. So expect another 2 or 3 more Magnitude 6 quakes
before the next spell.

That's a classic Low spell but/and a breeder of storms.


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