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Nothing causes them (was: What causes big climate changes?)
"Peter D. Tillman" wrote:
Yes, and this may be the best result of the current 'global warming' kerfluffle, as real paleoclimatology research is getting funded. Well, that's an interesting point of view for you to have on the matter. How's the weather down there in Santa Fe, by the way? The Ice Age climate was dramatically different from that of the present era. A dramatic difference between the states of a system at two times is the hallmark of the existence of a phenomenon known as a phase transition. Invariably that means that the system can exist in multiple states under a given set of conditions and that its current state is actually not only history dependent, but that this very dependence means there will also exist hysteresis, and that you are, in fact, in a hysteresis region. The slightest change in parameters in a hysteresis region, beyond a certain threshold, can push you straight into another of its possible states. And a phase transition takes place in a system it can be very abrupt. For a system, like the Earth's climate, this means: not millennia, not centuries, and probably not even decades -- but over time periods even as short as a single season. And as you accumulate more evidence, you will find that these types of climate changes took place in times as short as a few seasons, very likely even within the same decade. Gradualism is a dangerously and even irresponsibly flawed premise when it comes to dealing with any kind of system that is already known to exhibit phase transition behavior. Unfortunately, it can be hard to distinguish the real researchers from the 'political scientists' with an axe to grind, especially the anti-industrial ones and their leftie opportunist politico-hangers-on. Speaking as a totally unbiased observer GG. There is no distinction. Science also exhibits a political dimension along with the conservative vs. liberal distinction. The more conservative scientist tends to keep with the dominant paradigm of the time, and the liberal one is the one pushing a new paradigm. You can't get away from politics. It's all one big ape show. Does someone have a pointer(s) to a recent, unbiased review article on the causes of major climate changes? Do a search on nonequilibrium dynamics. That's the whole point of the idea of the phase change phenomenon. It doesn't need a cause in any usual sense of the word. The system, itself, is simply unstable and can exist in multiple states, for a given set of conditions. The state is NOT a function of the system's current conditions. It's also history-dependent, in virtue of the hysteresis. The Schloegl Model is a perfect example of this type of system. An even simpler system is a bent rod. The 2 states are the up state and down state. Pushing the rod in increases the hysteresis effect. Pushing it up or down the right way hard enough can cause it to abruptly change over to the other state. The transition is more abrupt and hysteresis region deeper, the harder the rod is pushed in. The Schloegl Model is the chemical equivalent of this system. Right now, the world's climate is in the middle of a phase transition. Politics and policies are irrelevant. They won't have any bearing in the issue anymore, because it's too late. You'll just have to sit back and watch to see what new state the climate transitions into over the next few years. I eagerly await the outcome. |
Nothing causes them (was: What causes big climate changes?)
Alfred Einstead wrote: Right now, the world's climate is in the middle of a phase transition. Politics and policies are irrelevant. They won't have any bearing in the issue anymore, because it's too late. You'll just have to sit back and watch to see what new state the climate transitions into over the next few years. I eagerly await the outcome. Which is also a matter of opinion, timeframe, and whether or not you are a fatalist or someone who believes that free will backed by action can effect change. I do think anyone who truly believes human activity does not cause environmental change (for better or worse, again, reckoned better or worse for humans)needs to take a look outside again. I do like the "one big ape show" bit, though. Because, increasingly, deliberate or not, it is. Jo -- Geo Communications Services -- www.geocommunications.net Jo Schaper's Missouri World -- http://www.missouriworld.net |
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