Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2005/titanwinds/

February 9, 2005

Contact:

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Socorro, NM
(505) 835-7302


Radio Telescopes "Save the Day," Produce Data on Titan's Winds

In what some scientists termed "a surprising, almost miraculous
turnabout," radio telescopes, including major facilities of the
National
Science Foundation's National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO),
have provided data needed to measure the winds
encountered by the Huygens spacecraft as it descended through the
atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan last month -- measurements feared
lost
because of a communication error between Huygens and its "mother ship"
Cassini.

A global network of radio telescopes, including the NRAO's Robert C.
Byrd Green Bank Telescope (GBT) in West Virginia and eight of the ten
antennas of the Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA), recorded the radio
signal from Huygens during its descent on January 14. Measurements
of the frequency shift caused by the craft's motion, called Doppler
shift, are giving planetary scientists their first direct
information about Titan's winds.

"When we began working with our international partners on this project,
we thought our telescopes would be adding to the wind data produced by
the two spacecraft themselves. Now, with the ground-based telescopes
providing the only information about Titan's winds, we are extremely
proud that our facilities are making such a key contribution to our
understanding of this fascinating planetary body," said Dr. Fred K.Y.
Lo, Director of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO).

Early analysis of the radio-telescope data shows that Titan's wind
flows
from west to east, in the direction of the moon's rotation, at all
altitudes. The highest wind speed, nearly 270 mph, was measured at an
altitude of about 75 miles. Winds are weak near Titan's surface and
increase in speed slowly up to an altitude of about 37 miles, where the
spacecraft encountered highly-variable winds that scientists think
indicate a region of vertical wind shear. The ground-based Doppler
measurements were carried out and processed jointly by scientists from
the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL, USA),
and the Joint Institute for VLBI in Europe (JIVE, The Netherlands)
working within an international Doppler Wind Experiment team.

The GBT made the first detection of Huygens' radio signal during the
descent, and gave flight controllers and scientists the first
indication
that the spacecraft's parachute had deployed and that it was "alive"
after entering Titan's atmosphere. The radio-telescope measurements
also
indicated changes in Huygens' speed when it exchanged parachutes and
when it landed on Titan's surface.

The original plan for gauging Titan's winds called for measuring the
Doppler shift in the probe's signal frequency both by Cassini and by
ground-based radio telescopes in the U.S., Australia, Japan and China.
Cassini was best positioned to gain information on the east-west
component of the winds, and the ground-based telescopes were positioned
to help learn about the north-south wind component. Unfortunately, the
communications error lost all the wind data from Cassini.

"I've never felt such exhilarating highs and dispiriting lows than
those
experienced when we first detected the signal from the GBT, indicating
'all's well,' and then discovering that we had no signal at the
operations center, indicating 'all's lost.' The truth, as we have now
determined, lies somewhat closer to the former than the latter." said
Michael Bird of the University of Bonn.

In addition to measuring the motion-generated frequency shift of
Huygens' radio signal, radio telescopes also were used to make
extremely
precise measurements of the probe's position (to within three-quarters
of a mile, or one kilometer) during its descent. This experiment used
the VLBA antennas, along with others employing the technique of Very
Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI). Combination of the Doppler and
VLBI
data will eventually provide a three-dimensional record of motion for
the Huygens Probe during its mission at Titan. Huygens was built by the
European Space Agency.

The radio astronomy support of the Huygens mission is coordinated by
JIVE and JPL and involves the National Radio Astronomy Observatory
(Green Bank, WV and Socorro, NM), the Netherlands Foundation for
Research in Astronomy (ASTRON, The Netherlands), the University of Bonn
(Germany), Helsinki University of Technology (Espoo, Finland), the
MERLIN National Facility (Jodrell Bank, UK), the Onsala Space
Observatory (Sweden), the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (Pasadena,
CA),
the CSIRO Australia Telescope National Facility (ATNF, Sydney,
Australia), the University of Tasmania (Hobart, Australia), the
National
Astronomical Observatories of China, the Shanghai Astronomical
Observatory (Shanghai and Urumqi, China) and the National Institute of
Information and Communications Technologies (Kashima Space Research
Center, Japan).

The Joint Institute for VLBI in Europe is hosted by ASTRON and funded
by
the national research councils, national facilities and institutes of
The Netherlands (NOW), the United Kingdom (PPARC), Italy (CNR), Sweden
(Onsala Space Observatory, National Facility), Spain (IGN) and Germany
(MPIfR). The Australia Telescope is funded by the Commonwealth of
Australia for operation as a National Facility managed by CSIRO.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperation between NASA, ESA and ASI,
the Italian space agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), a
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, is
managing the mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington DC.
JPL designed, developed and assembled the Cassini orbiter while ESA
operated the Huygens atmospheric probe.

The National Radio Astronomy Observatory is a
facility of the National Science Foundation,
operated under cooperative agreement by Associated Universities, Inc.

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

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February 9, 2005

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Radio Telescopes "Save the Day," Produce Data on Titan's Winds

In addition to measuring the motion-generated frequency shift of
Huygens' radio signal, radio telescopes also were used to make
extremely
precise measurements of the probe's position (to within three-quarters
of a mile, or one kilometer) during its descent. This experiment used
the VLBA antennas, along with others employing the technique of Very
Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI).

Probably a dumb question, but is that done by triangulation on the
transmitter?
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Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

Radio Telescopes "Save the Day," Produce Data on Titan's Winds

In what some scientists termed "a surprising, almost miraculous
turnabout," radio telescopes, including major facilities of the
National
Science Foundation's National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO),
have provided data needed to measure the winds
encountered by the Huygens spacecraft as it descended through the
atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan last month -- measurements feared
lost
because of a communication error between Huygens and its "mother ship"
Cassini.


Will they be able to extract the missing pictures and other
data lost because of the Cassini receiver that wasn't turned on?
Or is the signal to noise ratio not good enough?

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

In article ,
Jonathan Silverlight wrote:
In addition to measuring the motion-generated frequency shift of
Huygens' radio signal, radio telescopes also were used to make
extremely precise measurements of the probe's position...
...employing the technique of Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI).

Probably a dumb question, but is that done by triangulation on the
transmitter?

Speaking without wading through the numbers, I *think* Saturn is a bit too
far to do triangulation even with VLBI. They will, I expect, have been
just determining the direction to Huygens very precisely, and fitting that
into models of exactly where Titan is to determine location.

VLBI determines direction by looking at the phase difference in the
received signal at receivers thousands of kilometers apart. The signal
arrives at different receivers at slightly different times because they
are at slightly different distances from the source. Precisely measuring
the differences in arrival times tells you the differences in distance,
and given the known 3D positions of the receivers, those differences tell
you which direction the signal must be coming from. With modern timing
technology, this can be done very precisely indeed.

If you put the receivers near each other, the distance differences can be
measured in real time -- this is what multi-antenna radio telescopes like
the VLA do -- but then they're necessarily pretty small. But with atomic
clocks as time references, you can *record* the signal at receivers
anywhere on Earth, and put the recordings together afterward. That's what
VLBI does.
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Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:06:14 GMT, robert casey
wrote:



Radio Telescopes "Save the Day," Produce Data on Titan's Winds

In what some scientists termed "a surprising, almost miraculous
turnabout," radio telescopes, including major facilities of the
National
Science Foundation's National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO),
have provided data needed to measure the winds
encountered by the Huygens spacecraft as it descended through the
atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan last month -- measurements feared
lost
because of a communication error between Huygens and its "mother ship"
Cassini.


Will they be able to extract the missing pictures and other
data lost because of the Cassini receiver that wasn't turned on?
Or is the signal to noise ratio not good enough?

If I'm not mistaken, the only data that was initially lost was the
wind doppler information. All the other data was broadcast on two
different channels.

Doug

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

In article ,
Doug Haxton wrote:
Will they be able to extract the missing pictures and other
data lost because of the Cassini receiver that wasn't turned on?
Or is the signal to noise ratio not good enough?

If I'm not mistaken, the only data that was initially lost was the
wind doppler information. All the other data was broadcast on two
different channels.

Alas, not so. Some of it was simply duplicated across the two channels,
but the camera in particular sent different images on channels A and B
rather than duplicating them.
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Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

If I'm not mistaken, the only data that was initially lost was the
wind doppler information. All the other data was broadcast on two
different channels.


Alas, not so. Some of it was simply duplicated across the two channels,
but the camera in particular sent different images on channels A and B
rather than duplicating them.

Any hope that they can recover the missing images? Or is the
signal to noise not good enough?

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

"robert casey" wrote in message
nk.net...

If I'm not mistaken, the only data that was initially lost was the
wind doppler information. All the other data was broadcast on two
different channels.


Alas, not so. Some of it was simply duplicated across the two channels,
but the camera in particular sent different images on channels A and B
rather than duplicating them.

Any hope that they can recover the missing images? Or is the
signal to noise not good enough?

For the ground-based telescopes, to get good Doppler
resolution, they normally work narrow band and only
measure the carrier. Modulation would be noise in
this context. I know bandwidths of less than 1Hz are
available though I don't know what was used in this
case. The narrower the bandwidth, the better the SNR.

George

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

In article et,
robert casey wrote:
but the camera in particular sent different images on channels A and B
rather than duplicating them.

Any hope that they can recover the missing images? Or is the
signal to noise not good enough?

I'd be quite surprised if they can pull data out of the radio-telescope
recordings well enough to recover any images. The S/N just isn't there.

I'm sure the idea occurred to people, but if there was any hope of
success, by now I'd have expected at least some mention of it.
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Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

Any hope you or somebody else will finally break down and just gives us
some
numbers, and stop with all this cheerleading whooohaw on the speuwaaah,
which instruments measure as traveling somewhere near the speed of
avoidance
and moronism?

Hoooohaw


wrote:

http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2005/titanwinds/

February 9, 2005

Contact:

Dave Finley, Public Information Officer
Socorro, NM
(505) 835-7302


Radio Telescopes "Save the Day," Produce Data on Titan's Winds

In what some scientists termed "a surprising, almost miraculous
turnabout," radio telescopes, including major facilities of the
National
Science Foundation's National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO),
have provided data needed to measure the winds
encountered by the Huygens spacecraft as it descended through the
atmosphere of Saturn's moon Titan last month -- measurements feared
lost
because of a communication error between Huygens and its "mother ship"
Cassini.

A global network of radio telescopes, including the NRAO's Robert C.
Byrd Green Bank Telescope (GBT) in West Virginia and eight of the ten
antennas of the Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA), recorded the radio
signal from Huygens during its descent on January 14. Measurements
of the frequency shift caused by the craft's motion, called Doppler
shift, are giving planetary scientists their first direct
information about Titan's winds.

"When we began working with our international partners on this project,
we thought our telescopes would be adding to the wind data produced by
the two spacecraft themselves. Now, with the ground-based telescopes
providing the only information about Titan's winds, we are extremely
proud that our facilities are making such a key contribution to our
understanding of this fascinating planetary body," said Dr. Fred K.Y.
Lo, Director of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO).

Early analysis of the radio-telescope data shows that Titan's wind
flows
from west to east, in the direction of the moon's rotation, at all
altitudes. The highest wind speed, nearly 270 mph, was measured at an
altitude of about 75 miles. Winds are weak near Titan's surface and
increase in speed slowly up to an altitude of about 37 miles, where the
spacecraft encountered highly-variable winds that scientists think
indicate a region of vertical wind shear. The ground-based Doppler
measurements were carried out and processed jointly by scientists from
the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL, USA),
and the Joint Institute for VLBI in Europe (JIVE, The Netherlands)
working within an international Doppler Wind Experiment team.

The GBT made the first detection of Huygens' radio signal during the
descent, and gave flight controllers and scientists the first
indication
that the spacecraft's parachute had deployed and that it was "alive"
after entering Titan's atmosphere. The radio-telescope measurements
also
indicated changes in Huygens' speed when it exchanged parachutes and
when it landed on Titan's surface.

The original plan for gauging Titan's winds called for measuring the
Doppler shift in the probe's signal frequency both by Cassini and by
ground-based radio telescopes in the U.S., Australia, Japan and China.
Cassini was best positioned to gain information on the east-west
component of the winds, and the ground-based telescopes were positioned
to help learn about the north-south wind component. Unfortunately, the
communications error lost all the wind data from Cassini.

"I've never felt such exhilarating highs and dispiriting lows than
those
experienced when we first detected the signal from the GBT, indicating
'all's well,' and then discovering that we had no signal at the
operations center, indicating 'all's lost.' The truth, as we have now
determined, lies somewhat closer to the former than the latter." said
Michael Bird of the University of Bonn.

In addition to measuring the motion-generated frequency shift of
Huygens' radio signal, radio telescopes also were used to make
extremely
precise measurements of the probe's position (to within three-quarters
of a mile, or one kilometer) during its descent. This experiment used
the VLBA antennas, along with others employing the technique of Very
Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI). Combination of the Doppler and
VLBI
data will eventually provide a three-dimensional record of motion for
the Huygens Probe during its mission at Titan. Huygens was built by the
European Space Agency.

The radio astronomy support of the Huygens mission is coordinated by
JIVE and JPL and involves the National Radio Astronomy Observatory
(Green Bank, WV and Socorro, NM), the Netherlands Foundation for
Research in Astronomy (ASTRON, The Netherlands), the University of Bonn
(Germany), Helsinki University of Technology (Espoo, Finland), the
MERLIN National Facility (Jodrell Bank, UK), the Onsala Space
Observatory (Sweden), the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (Pasadena,
CA),
the CSIRO Australia Telescope National Facility (ATNF, Sydney,
Australia), the University of Tasmania (Hobart, Australia), the
National
Astronomical Observatories of China, the Shanghai Astronomical
Observatory (Shanghai and Urumqi, China) and the National Institute of
Information and Communications Technologies (Kashima Space Research
Center, Japan).

The Joint Institute for VLBI in Europe is hosted by ASTRON and funded
by
the national research councils, national facilities and institutes of
The Netherlands (NOW), the United Kingdom (PPARC), Italy (CNR), Sweden
(Onsala Space Observatory, National Facility), Spain (IGN) and Germany
(MPIfR). The Australia Telescope is funded by the Commonwealth of
Australia for operation as a National Facility managed by CSIRO.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperation between NASA, ESA and ASI,
the Italian space agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), a
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, is
managing the mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington DC.
JPL designed, developed and assembled the Cassini orbiter while ESA
operated the Huygens atmospheric probe.

The National Radio Astronomy Observatory is a
facility of the National Science Foundation,
operated under cooperative agreement by Associated Universities, Inc.

Radio Telescopes 'Save the Day,' Produce Data on Titan's Winds
 

In article , holden wrote:
Any hope you or somebody else will finally break down and just gives us
some numbers, and stop with all this cheerleading whooohaw...

Ron doesn't write the press releases, he just passes them on. If you
want numbers, you get to wait for the published scientific papers.

That's the way the world works. The people who spent years of their lives
on getting those numbers get first chance to make the discoveries.
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-- George Herbert |