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In my posts when I said that Florida is uninhabitable and the Gulf
Coast is uninhabitable means that those states, every year has a hurricane evacuation commencing. A state is uninhabitable if you have to evacuate every year. One thing that can be done, as the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mr. Hastert remarked that it is rather silly to rebuild New Orleans when it is 7 to 15 feet below sea level. A sensible, reasoning person would build a Newest Orleans nearby where it is above sea level. Rebuild it on higher ground. Because unless the main problem-- hurricanes and increasing hurricanes in global warming are addressed then the building of New Orleans is insane since the next big hurricane will repeat the exercise all over again. And unless we do conquer hurricanes by building a Earth Air Conditioner of Aluminum Sequin placed into orbit to reflect Sun rays, then every city on the Gulf Coast from Galveston to New Orleans to Tampa, St. Petersburg, Miami and even Jacksonville to Savannah to Charleston will be destroyed in an upcoming hurricane and every city between those big cities. So it is not a question of whether we build Earth-Air-Conditioner but when. For we cannot afford to be battered by hurricanes every summer and have entire regions of the country uninhabitable for half of the year. Now there was a nice factual data on Katrina as it approached New Orleans last week. It was said that Katrina was category 5 with winds (if memory serves me) of up to 165 mph but as it neared New Orleans a gust of Midwest dry air diverted Katrina and lowered it to a category 4 with winds of 140 mph. Sparing New Orleans from a direct encounter with Katrina. Now I have not worked out the math, but if a dry gust of wind from the Midwest can downgrade a hurricane from 5 to 4 and divert its path some 100 miles. I would think this data could come in handy when computing the affects of aluminum sequin in orbit above the Gulf Sea waters. If a dry gust of wind can affect a hurricane that much, then think of what a cargo hauled aluminum sequin in orbit can do. It maybe possible, just possible that a cargo hauled material in orbit, not necessarily aluminum sequin, but some other material such as cotton fibers or the fibers of some plant or sawdust, when placed in orbit that intersects the path of a hurricane such as Katrina, could dissolve the entire hurricane. Analogy: Hurricanes are like bathtub drain with its rotation motion. This is hard to stop once the rotation motion is in place but it can be weakened by the interference of objects in the path. The gust of dry Midwest air was such an object. The Aluminum Sequin placed in orbit is designed to never create a hurricane by reflecting Sun rays into outer space and thus depriving the ocean water from heating up and creating a hurricane. But perhaps another material when placed in orbit where a hurricane is moving can so weaken the storm. Something like sawdust. So I wonder if we can fly above a hurricane in a conventional airplane and not need a space rocket or space shuttle. But we definitely need to get ready for the 2006 season and schedule a space flight with cargo full of aluminum sequin so that we prevent the formation of hurricanes for 2006. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Archie, I misread you the first time. I thought you meant "dump aluminum reflectors in the atmosphere." You actually mean "earth orbit." Then the only objection I can think of is that these objects may impact space probes, space craft, and become hazards to future astronavigation. Your remarks about Katrina are interesting. A hurricane is a heat distributor that efficiently moves heat out of the tropics and into cooler latitudes as a way of "balancing" total atmospheric temperatures. At the time of Katrina's vector, the Gulf of Mexico had a temperature that was a few degrees warmer than this time last year. I am guessing this is the reason Katrina jumped to category 5 in the Gulf. That has not happened since Camille in 1969. David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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As we are seeing the effects of man-made global warming having a larger and
larger impact around the globe, I believe that it only highlights how little we know about atmospheric conditions, let alone manipulation. With no idea of the impact that preventing these huge storms would have on the rest of the world's climate, I would think that any human interference is likely to make the problem even worse. Perhaps you will stop the tropical storms by cooling the ocean temperature where they form, but the what happens to the Gulf Stream and the global conveyer that distributes this heat around the globe and keeps the high latitudes warmer than they would normally be. All the variables and implications have to be taken into account before any course of action is taken. James wrote in message ups.com... In my posts when I said that Florida is uninhabitable and the Gulf Coast is uninhabitable means that those states, every year has a hurricane evacuation commencing. A state is uninhabitable if you have to evacuate every year. One thing that can be done, as the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mr. Hastert remarked that it is rather silly to rebuild New Orleans when it is 7 to 15 feet below sea level. A sensible, reasoning person would build a Newest Orleans nearby where it is above sea level. Rebuild it on higher ground. Because unless the main problem-- hurricanes and increasing hurricanes in global warming are addressed then the building of New Orleans is insane since the next big hurricane will repeat the exercise all over again. And unless we do conquer hurricanes by building a Earth Air Conditioner of Aluminum Sequin placed into orbit to reflect Sun rays, then every city on the Gulf Coast from Galveston to New Orleans to Tampa, St. Petersburg, Miami and even Jacksonville to Savannah to Charleston will be destroyed in an upcoming hurricane and every city between those big cities. So it is not a question of whether we build Earth-Air-Conditioner but when. For we cannot afford to be battered by hurricanes every summer and have entire regions of the country uninhabitable for half of the year. Now there was a nice factual data on Katrina as it approached New Orleans last week. It was said that Katrina was category 5 with winds (if memory serves me) of up to 165 mph but as it neared New Orleans a gust of Midwest dry air diverted Katrina and lowered it to a category 4 with winds of 140 mph. Sparing New Orleans from a direct encounter with Katrina. Now I have not worked out the math, but if a dry gust of wind from the Midwest can downgrade a hurricane from 5 to 4 and divert its path some 100 miles. I would think this data could come in handy when computing the affects of aluminum sequin in orbit above the Gulf Sea waters. If a dry gust of wind can affect a hurricane that much, then think of what a cargo hauled aluminum sequin in orbit can do. It maybe possible, just possible that a cargo hauled material in orbit, not necessarily aluminum sequin, but some other material such as cotton fibers or the fibers of some plant or sawdust, when placed in orbit that intersects the path of a hurricane such as Katrina, could dissolve the entire hurricane. Analogy: Hurricanes are like bathtub drain with its rotation motion. This is hard to stop once the rotation motion is in place but it can be weakened by the interference of objects in the path. The gust of dry Midwest air was such an object. The Aluminum Sequin placed in orbit is designed to never create a hurricane by reflecting Sun rays into outer space and thus depriving the ocean water from heating up and creating a hurricane. But perhaps another material when placed in orbit where a hurricane is moving can so weaken the storm. Something like sawdust. So I wonder if we can fly above a hurricane in a conventional airplane and not need a space rocket or space shuttle. But we definitely need to get ready for the 2006 season and schedule a space flight with cargo full of aluminum sequin so that we prevent the formation of hurricanes for 2006. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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don't forget, nature itself has the best recipee against global
meteorological catastrophes: covering the soil with plants - so instead of extending deserts, we should start with consequent re-naturalization - also wheat fields up to the horizon are "deserts" in the sense of weather |
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![]() James Toupin wrote: As we are seeing the effects of man-made global warming having a larger and larger impact around the globe, I believe that it only highlights how little we know about atmospheric conditions, let alone manipulation. With no idea of the impact that preventing these huge storms would have on the rest of the world's climate, I would think that any human interference is likely to make the problem even worse. Perhaps you will stop the tropical storms by cooling the ocean temperature where they form, but the what happens to the Gulf Stream and the global conveyer that distributes this heat around the globe and keeps the high latitudes warmer than they would normally be. All the variables and implications have to be taken into account before any course of action is taken. James Successful life, successful living is a constant and active engagement with problems. Happiness in life and happy living is putting Order and Progress-towards-Order. In fact, happiness is one and the same as order. Whether the order is physical order or mental/mind order. We have an old analogy to work with in solving hurricanes and it is the flooding by water which was solved many centuries back by dam building. Dams put order into rivers. We have never solved the problem of hurricanes because we never had the technology. But we now have that technology- Space Station and space travel. Of course with any technology and the solving of a major problem such as river flooding or hurricanes there is some good and some bad but the good far outweighs the bad. The electricity from dam building plus the prevention of flooding far outweigh the bad of dams. The prevention of hurricanes far outweighs the bad of a little bit of flora adjustment to a wee-bit less light. But the biggest benefit to Earth Air Conditioner maybe as yet the unknown of Solar Flares. No-one has really entertained the idea that Solar Flaring from a collision with a large astro body such as Mercury or a large asteroid into the Sun may cause a solar flare that perhaps lead to the Permian and even the Cretaceous extinction. We think of the dinosaur extinction was due to a meteor but perhaps the extinction was due more to a solar flaring for which the main colliding bodies impacted the Sun and only debris particles struck Earth. If a large astro body collides with the Sun, the Solar Flaring could be so large that massive extinctions on Earth, if unprepared would take place. Problems as large as Global WArming and Hurricanes and Solar Flares have to be met head on and even before they become a major problem. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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The passive mode of dealing with major problems is not acceptable and
will not solve major problems. Your recipe is to go back in time to a situation in which we had no global warming and no killer hurricanes. But we have always had hurricanes. There is an analogy problem to hurricanes and it is dam building to control rivers. As with any technology that controls a problem, there is some good and some bad and the good outweighs the bad. So we need much, much more than a passive mode to solving hurricanes, more than just plant cover. We need a direct approach and active mode. We need, like dam building to fly into hurricanes whether above them in space orbit or conventional aircraft and to eliminate or mitigate hurricanes. Human overpopulation is a greater factor in the recent hurricane disasters than is plant cover. It is human overpopulation that puts more greenhouse gases into the air that causes Global Warming that causes increased hurricane activity. If Earth had the population of 2 billion people instead of 7-8 billion then there would be no Global Warming and no increased hurricane activity. Priority one is to install EArth Air Conditioner of Aluminum sequin in orbit so that year 2006 has no hurricanes. Priority two is to start a world wide legislation to get our human population at a comfortable number so that everyone alive has a decent life and that we preserve wildlife and flora and fauna and the environment. Your idea of re-naturalization is far down on the list of priorities and even whether it is a priority or not. I question whether it is a priority for it is illogical with respect to the Uncertainty principle in Quantum Physics that the mere fact of humanity causes irreversible changes to the planet, likewise and observation affects what is observed. Going forward into the future, it is best to actively fix problems and solve problems rather than pine about what it was like in the past and try to impose what the environment of the past was into the present. There is a program in Lousiana to try to reestablish the swamps to lessen the hurricanes. I see this as misguided and a desire to return to the past to solve present day problems. These are costly and wasteful. The problem of hurricanes would not be solved with plant cover. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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There is of course a technical problem with your "solution" that you are
overlooking: if these aluminium sequins are set adrift in orbit, what is to keep them from reflecting heat back down to the earth and acting as a thermal blanket, trapping more heat then it stops entering the atmosphere? One side of whatever material was used would have to be coated in an extremely reflective material, while the other side would have to be covered in an extremely absorbent material. Now comes the big problem: how do you manage to align these particles and then keep them stable in orbit? The particles are going to naturally just tumble through space. That is a very big obstacle to overcome. James wrote in message oups.com... James Toupin wrote: As we are seeing the effects of man-made global warming having a larger and larger impact around the globe, I believe that it only highlights how little we know about atmospheric conditions, let alone manipulation. With no idea of the impact that preventing these huge storms would have on the rest of the world's climate, I would think that any human interference is likely to make the problem even worse. Perhaps you will stop the tropical storms by cooling the ocean temperature where they form, but the what happens to the Gulf Stream and the global conveyer that distributes this heat around the globe and keeps the high latitudes warmer than they would normally be. All the variables and implications have to be taken into account before any course of action is taken. James Successful life, successful living is a constant and active engagement with problems. Happiness in life and happy living is putting Order and Progress-towards-Order. In fact, happiness is one and the same as order. Whether the order is physical order or mental/mind order. We have an old analogy to work with in solving hurricanes and it is the flooding by water which was solved many centuries back by dam building. Dams put order into rivers. We have never solved the problem of hurricanes because we never had the technology. But we now have that technology- Space Station and space travel. Of course with any technology and the solving of a major problem such as river flooding or hurricanes there is some good and some bad but the good far outweighs the bad. The electricity from dam building plus the prevention of flooding far outweigh the bad of dams. The prevention of hurricanes far outweighs the bad of a little bit of flora adjustment to a wee-bit less light. But the biggest benefit to Earth Air Conditioner maybe as yet the unknown of Solar Flares. No-one has really entertained the idea that Solar Flaring from a collision with a large astro body such as Mercury or a large asteroid into the Sun may cause a solar flare that perhaps lead to the Permian and even the Cretaceous extinction. We think of the dinosaur extinction was due to a meteor but perhaps the extinction was due more to a solar flaring for which the main colliding bodies impacted the Sun and only debris particles struck Earth. If a large astro body collides with the Sun, the Solar Flaring could be so large that massive extinctions on Earth, if unprepared would take place. Problems as large as Global WArming and Hurricanes and Solar Flares have to be met head on and even before they become a major problem. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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In article , kauhl-meersburg writes:
don't forget, nature itself has the best recipee against global meteorological catastrophes Catastrophies? A hurricane in not a catastrophy, it is a perfectly natural and recuring process. : covering the soil with plants - so instead of extending deserts, we should start with consequent re-naturalization - also wheat fields up to the horizon are "deserts" in the sense of weather So are oceans. Do you plan to cover them? Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, | chances are he is doing just the same" |
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![]() wrote in message news:m8pSe.32 A hurricane in not a catastrophy, it is a perfectly natural and recuring process. Way to split hairs over semantics - and still be wrong. |
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