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Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml
HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ....AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah.
Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? "Melchizedek" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
"dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. "Melchizedek" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom"
wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/ne...ntent=w101904A At bottom of above news report says, "There have been 10 late-season hurricanes of Category 3 or higher since 1995." Jon "Melchizedek" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
Mitch and Michelle in recent memory.
Keith and Iris in early October, but that's not late season. Usually I consider November late season. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 175 [150] mph: Cat FIVE [4]: to go to cat 5 soon.
This just in from the weather.com at midnight PST; the exclamation mark
is theirs (for the record, I think it's just media hype, but what do I know right?): Hurricane Wilma winds now 175 mph! 10/19/2005 2:31 a.m. ET Hurricane Wilma is now a Category 5 hurricane with winds of 175 mph. Melchizedek wrote: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190629.shtml
HURRICANE WILMA TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 230 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 DATA FROM A RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT HURRICANE WILMA HAS BECOME AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. THE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE MEASURED 175 MPH WINDS AND ESTIMATED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB. THIS IS THE LOWEST PRESSURE OBSERVED IN 2005 AND IS EQUIVALENT TO THE MINIMUM PRESSURE OF THE 1935 LABOR DAY HURRICANE IN THE FLORIDA KEYS. I point out that at 30 miles wide, this is practically a big tornado instead of a hurricane. If the eye hit downtown LA, the winds would be tropical storm level in Beverly Hills where Ray lives in his 'Kato Kaitlin' cottage as gofer for somebody rich dreaming his 7-figure income ($0,000,999). raylopez99 wrote: This just in from the weather.com at midnight PST; the exclamation mark is theirs (for the record, I think it's just media hype, but what do I know right?): Hurricane Wilma winds now 175 mph! 10/19/2005 2:31 a.m. ET Hurricane Wilma is now a Category 5 hurricane with winds of 175 mph. Melchizedek wrote: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190502.shtml HURRICANE WILMA SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 15 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1 AM EDT WED OCT 19 2005 ...AIR FORCE PLANE FINDS 150 MPH WINDS IN WILMA... AN AIR FORCE PLANE MEASURED MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF NEAR 150 MPH...240 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. WILMA IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. THE HURRICANE COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE TODAY. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES... 30 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 155 MILES...250 KM. LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE JUST REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE WAS IS 901 MB...26.61 INCHES. |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, -GW ain't it COOL? :-)
Science Cop--Global Warming, ain't it cool?
I hope this sucker does HUGE damage (but that nobody gets hurt, just like in a PG-13 rated Hollywood movie). This is cool. Nature at work. Not man, but nature. Happens every so often, like those 100 year storms. Sit back and enjoy the awesome spectacle of the wrath of nature! RL |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB
Just for the record, whenever the windspeed increases the weatherguy
increases the rainfall estimates. obviously they have nobody under the hurricane with rain gauges, so i think they are using a tried-but-true formula. Here's from the last report: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/190552.shtml hurricane wilma intermediate advisory number 15a nws tpc/national hurricane center miami fl 2 am edt wed oct 19 2005 wilma is expected to produce storm total accumulations of 10 to 15 inches...with local amounts near 25 inches in mountainous terrain across cuba through friday. additional rainfall accumulations of 5 to 10 inches...with local amounts of 15 inches...are possible across the cayman islands...swan island...and jamaica through thursday. This goes with the windspeed of that report: maximum sustained winds are near 150 mph...240 km/hr...with higher gusts. Previous reports: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005...c_a.013.shtml? hurricane wilma intermediate advisory number 13a 8 pm edt tue oct 18 2005 reports from an air force reserve hurricane hunter aircraft indicate that maximum sustained winds have increased to near 100 mph...160 km/hr...with higher gusts. ... wilma is expected to produce additional rainfall accumulations of 5 to 10 inches...with isolated amounts of 15 inches...over the cayman islands...jamaica...haiti...and cuba. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005...lic.013.shtml? hurricane wilma advisory number 13 5 pm edt tue oct 18 2005 maximum sustained winds are near 80 mph...130 km/hr...with higher gusts. ... wilma is expected to produce additional rainfall accumulations of 5 to 10 inches...with isolated amounts of 15 inches...over the cayman islands...jamaica...haiti...and cuba. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005...c_a.012.shtml? hurricane wilma intermediate advisory number 12a 2 pm edt tue oct 18 2005 maximum sustained winds are near 80 mph...130 km/hr...with higher gusts. ... wilma is expected to produce rainfall accumulations of 4 to 6 inches over the cayman islands...jamaica...haiti...and southeastern cuba...with isolated amounts of 8 to 12 inches possible. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005...lic.012.shtml? hurricane wilma advisory number 12 11 am edt tue oct 18 2005 maximum sustained winds are near 75 mph...120 km/hr...with higher gusts. ... wilma is expected to produce rainfall accumulations of 4 to 6 inches over the cayman islands...jamaica...haiti...and southeastern cuba...with isolated amounts of 8 to 12 inches possible. ----------- You might also notice the speed of increase: Advisory 12A 2pm 75mph, Advisory 15A 2AM 175mph. 4-6 inches rain went to 10-15 inches of rain. Size (diameter) never changed. The windspeed alone is elevating water by the mega-tonnages. Who sez SIZE doesn't matter? Guys with Cat 1 endowment, that's who. You know what Hoggle is packing in his jeans when he sez size doesn't matter... |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, -GW ain't it COOL? :-)
Time to do our math exercise again, Ray...
At 15 mile radius, the Hurricane center of the storm is R^2xPI=A 706.9 Square miles. Rainfall is 10-15 inches inside the Hurricane area. Say 12" (one foot) for easy math. There are 5280x5280 sq.ft. per sq.mi = 27,878,400 sq.ft/mile 27,878,400 x 706.9 s.mi. = 19,707,240,960 cubic feet of water. There are 7.48 gallons per cu.ft (remember this, you will use it often). 7.48 x 19,707,240,960 cubic feet = 138,896,634,286,080 gallons There are 240 gallons per ton (remember this, it's hard to find if you try to look it up later). 138,896,634,286,080 gallons divided by 240 = 578,735,976,192 tons Or say 578.7 megatons. There are 3785.412 CC per gallon, or 5.2578098619e17 CCs in those 578.7 megatons of water. The water temperature was measured by buoys at 29oC. It takes 71 calories to raise each CC to 100oC plus 600 calories to change state from liquid to vapor, or 671 calories per CC. This comes to 3.5279904173e20 calories of energy. Calories are somewhat awkward to use on this scale, so convert to megawatt-hours: 410,305,300,000. This is the Global Warming energy being carried aloft 12 kilometers high to -70oC cloudtops, flash-frozen with the heat energy expelled, and falling as microhail to remelt on it's way down to condense as rain. That's 410 giga-megawatt-hours of WASTED solar energy. The pro-rata portion for 6bn people is 68.4 megawatthours per man, woman and baby around the world. My share would power my house for 29 years at the rate I consumed electricity on my last PG&E bill. This energy exists regardless of GLOBAL WARMING. With GW it is trapped and caught in the Carribean. Without GW it radiates to space. In either case it is no used by a supposedly rational intelligent species. Now that math is the math for the storm duration over one point in geography. The storm moves and leaves the evidence of it's heat content as rain. We looked at on passage of the storm. from the last advisory: WILMA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 8 MPH...13 KM/HR. A TURN TOWARD THE NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. The thirty-mile hurricane core moving at 8 mph will cross the geographic point in 3 hours and 45 minutes. Then it will dissipate that energy all over again, discarding another 410 giga-megawatt-hours of WASTED solar energy. In four mour hours it will do it again, another 410 giga-megawatt-hours of WASTED solar energy. That's what H2-PV is all about. Picking up that manna from heaven and giving the dirty KOCH SUCKERS the finger. There's also quite a few 7-figure salaries for smart guys who get in on the ground floor. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
Steve Bloom wrote:
"dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. That's a difficult question to answer for times before frequent recon -- Wilma, for example, would not likely be recorded as a cat 4 or 5 based on ship reports alone. What a beautiful storm from satellite!! Scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
dan wrote:
Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Do observe: Wilma's rapid intensification took place over waters of near normal sea surface temperatures: https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
Atheist 4 Bush (reformed) wrote:
Do observe: Wilma's rapid intensification took place over waters of near normal sea surface temperatures: https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif It's hard to tell with such a poor resolution mapping, but it looks to me like SSTs are almost 2C above normal where Wilma bombed out. I will also point out that SSTs are only part of the story. If the very warm water is much deeper than normal, then heat content anomalies will be huge. [Of course there is no way to tell that ;) ] Scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
Scott wrote: Atheist 4 Bush (reformed) wrote: Do observe: Wilma's rapid intensification took place over waters of near normal sea surface temperatures: https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/...sstanomaly.gif It's hard to tell with such a poor resolution mapping, but it looks to me like SSTs are almost 2C above normal where Wilma bombed out. I will also point out that SSTs are only part of the story. If the very warm water is much deeper than normal, then heat content anomalies will be huge. [Of course there is no way to tell that ;) ] Thermal Mass. There is a way to tell, you measure the water temperatures. We used to put little digital temperature data loggers in steel pipes with caps, and hang them down there for weeks and months. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
If the past is the last 15 years, then yes.
http://www.globalcoral.org/monitorin...ting_sea_s.htm Our concerns were a little different back then, but the result was still the same. |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom"
wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. This year it's one per month, and each one selects something from the record-book. Even if Landsea's Lost n Found project finds a few corrections from the past, he's gonna have to hum a pretty good tune to say the intensity increases predicted by the AGW models weren't showing up, eh? |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
owl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:55:27 -0500, Scott
wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott Feel better? |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
owl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:55:27 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott Feel better? Actually, no change. Gonna answer the question? btw, re-learned a word today: trochoidal. Where's my super-spirograph? What a great satellite loop of Wilma. scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:32:21 -0500, Scott
wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:55:27 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott Feel better? Actually, no change. Gonna answer the question? I found it interesting. You turned it into an assumptive pile-up of questions. My guess is you figured if you threw enough chum in the water you could make something out of my observation that was never there. (and somehow I think you felt better after your machine-gun set than after reading my responses) btw, re-learned a word today: trochoidal. Where's my super-spirograph? What a great satellite loop of Wilma. scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150
owl wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:32:21 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:55:27 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott Feel better? Actually, no change. Gonna answer the question? I found it interesting. You turned it into an assumptive pile-up of questions. My guess is you figured if you threw enough chum in the water you could make something out of my observation that was never there. So what was there in your observations? I still don't understand why 6 cat 5s in August vs. 18 in September is interesting. Please enlighten me. Scott |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:03:49 -0500, Scott
wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:32:21 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:55:27 -0500, Scott wrote: owl wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:19:25 GMT, "Steve Bloom" wrote: "dan" wrote in message ... Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? I wonder how many cat 4 or 5 hurricanes there have been this late in the season in prior years. Two - Mitch (98), and Hattie (61) http://www.weathermatrix.net/tropical/cat5storms.htm Interestingly, only 6 of the CAT 5's were in hot August, and 18 were in September. Why is that at all interesting? September is the peak hurricane month -- why shouldn't you expect more strong hurricanes in Sept? You seem to be implying that SSTs are remarkably warmer in August than in September. Are you? On what basis? Scott Feel better? Actually, no change. Gonna answer the question? I found it interesting. You turned it into an assumptive pile-up of questions. My guess is you figured if you threw enough chum in the water you could make something out of my observation that was never there. So what was there in your observations? I still don't understand why 6 cat 5s in August vs. 18 in September is interesting. Please enlighten me. Scott Not enlightenment, but sure. It struck me that the historical pattern of recorded CAT5's matched, as you noted, the historical pattern of hurricane season. This year, not only was there an increase in intensity, but also an anomaly to the pattern - one each month and new records of different types. That's why I only noted the CAT 5s instead of both the 4s and 5s the original request was about. On your other angle focusing on SSTs, I've already posted a bunch of times - I'm in the camp that thinks over-emphasis of SSTs is going on these days (and A4B thinks the SST factor for Wilma is curiously absent.) I'm also waiting to see the reaction statements from sceptics like Landsea and Gray. NCAR and NOAA appear to have different takes on the AGW element in the extreme weather events. |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, -GW ain't it COOL? :-)
At some point, when all this Wilma excitement blows away, you'll have
to explain the H2-PV system, since I could not find it on the web and I assume it's not a plan to harness hurricanes for power. RL |
Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
Landsea and Gray are finished.
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Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
Hurricanes themselves are vast thermometers. They tell you that the
temperature was 28oC or higher, and it was that hot 50 meters deep or deeper. Unless both those things are true there are no hurricanes. This years abundance of cat 5 hurricanes tells us more about the depth of the heat related to the power, and related to pause over the hot waters. From facts of physics considerable forensic reconstruction of old sea temperatures may be possible. |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, -GW ain't it COOL? :-)
raylopez99 explain the H2-PV system
Let me guess: PV = photovoltaic, H2 = hydrogen, and - means electrolysis. The usual problems with such ideas are that PV panels are $4/watt... and every other problem flows from that. Maybe NanoSolar has a breakthrough, but then again, maybe not. Folks have been working on the PV problem for decades so far, it may be decades before the cost comes down enough. It's fundamentally hard to compete economically with pumping oil out of the ground as a source of energy. Digging coal out of the ground is cheaper, but that's about it. Schemes which involve changing the relative costs of coal, oil, and renewables (carbon tax, incentives, whatever) will involve changing a good chunk of the economic structure of western civilization. Question: aside from CO2 reductions, does PV actually do anything to reduce warming? i.e. would massive PV increase the albedo of the earth noticeably? Seems unlikely.... |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, -GW ain't it COOL? :-)
And great advance have been made in PV during those decades,
particularly since the 60s. However, it is the process of pursuing PV, hydrogen and electrocatalytic solutions, that will ultimately save our pathetic asses. Noboby in their right minds thinks that everything will be switched over to PV - H2 anytime soon, but pursuing it, as if our lives depend on it, which they do, will generate the technological advances and evolutionary and revolutionary scientific results, that will ultimately clarify the practical solutions to humanity's dire and very real hydrocarbon combustion problem. PV -H2 is the goal that we must strive for, not the end. When and if we ever do get there, I can guarantee there will be some other nasty problem to deal with, that we can't even imagine right now. http://webpages.charter.net/lifeform |
Ignorant Duffus Spreads FUD about Hydrogen - PV to preserve oil monopolies
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Ignorant Duffus Spreads FUD about Hydrogen - PV to preserve oil monopolies
I think I have to agree with Iain on this one guys. He's right; you're
dreaming. |
Chicken Little clowns are STUCK ON STUPID! (WAS: Hurricane WILMA: Airforce plane measures sustained winds of 150 mph: Cat 4: to go to cat 5 soon.
"dan" wrote:
Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. No, it's not an "ordinary year", but it's a typical year among those years that include a busier hurricane season. Tell you what, sport, ever heard of El Nino? That is an example of... 1) a natural phenomenon... 2) that is made worse by Global Warming. Climate scientists agree on both those points. It just so happens that El Nino years feature a remarkable LACK of hurricanes. Give it some thought. Blaming GW for hurricanes is worse than stupid. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? Not according to Hurricane scientists. Do you actually think that if man had used, say, only 1/10 of the fossil fuel we have actually used, that the climate wouild be any different? -- ): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :( (: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :) |
Deep Throat "Well Done" Slurps Gobs of Oil Pipeline Petroleum Jelly, spills on Blue Dress
Well Done wrote: "dan" wrote: Just an ordinary year. Couldn't be global warming. Nah. No, it's not an "ordinary year", but it's a typical year among those years that include a busier hurricane season. Name any other year in history that had 3 catagory 5 hurricanes. Name the one other year that had 21 cyclones, but no cat 5s? 1933 : TS=11, C1=2, C2=3, C3=3, C4=2 Name the only other year that had 12 hurricanes? 1969 : TS=6, C1=5, C2=2, C3=4, C5=1 Name the ONLY year that had 12 Hurricanes AND 21 cyclones AND 2 cat 5 canes? 2005 : TS=9, C1=6, C3=1, C4=2, C5=3 Name the ONLY decade in record-keeping history with 5 Cat 5s? 1996 : TS=4, C1=3, C3=4, C4=2 1997 : TS=5, C1=1, C3=1 1998 : TS=4, C1=3, C2=4, C3=1, C4=1, C5=1 1999 : TS=4, C2=3, C4=5 2000 : TS=7, C1=5, C3=1, C4=2 2001 : TS=6, C1=5, C3=2, C4=2 2002 : TS=8, C1=1, C2=1, C3=1, C4=1 2003 : TS=9, C1=3, C2=1, C3=2, C5=1 2004 : TS=5, C1=1, C2=1, C3=2, C4=3, C5=1 2005 : TS=9, C1=6, C3=1, C4=2, C5=3 Winter 1997-1998 was an El Nino year of particular severity: what did the weather do the summer of 98? 1998 : TS=4, C1=3, C2=4, C3=1, C4=1, C5=1 Winter 2002-2003 was a severe El Nino: what did the weather do the summer of 03? 2003 : TS=9, C1=3, C2=1, C3=2, C5=1 Tell you what, sport, ever heard of El Nino? That is an example of... 1) a natural phenomenon... 2) that is made worse by Global Warming. Climate scientists agree on both those points. It just so happens that El Nino years feature a remarkable LACK of hurricanes. Give it some thought. Blaming GW for hurricanes is worse than stupid. Holy ****, is this going to start happening every year, or even get worse? Not according to Hurricane scientists. Do you actually think that if man had used, say, only 1/10 of the fossil fuel we have actually used, that the climate wouild be any different? It was different when Man used only 1/10th the fossil fuels: That is why NOW is worse. PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE 1996-2005 to averages 1851-1995 144% MORE Tropical Storms, 1996-2005 47% MORE Hurricanes Category 1, 1996-2005 14% LESS Hurricanes Category 2, 1996-2005 52% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3, 1996-2005 90% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4, 1996-2005 257% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5, 1996-2005 (Upto 2005 Hurricane Wilma C5) |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB
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WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB
The U.S. has time to deflect or suppress Hurricane Wilma. The question is will they do it and if not, why not? http://foxfiretechnology.com/ |
WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: Wilma 175 mph, MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 892 MB
Hurricane Guy wrote: The U.S. has time to deflect or suppress Hurricane Wilma. The question is will they do it and if not, why not? If we don't even have the technology to defect @ssholes like you, we surely are powerless against even the small ill winds that blowhard. |
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