COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

Go here for a quick chart that clearly shows the number of hurricanes
has decreased since either 1941 or even earlier.

A no-brainer: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

Intensity is another issue, but numbers have gone down.

RL

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

That table only includes huricanes that have struck mainland USA, which
is a subset of all Atlantic storms.

It is also affected by the multi-decadal osscillation, as the position
of surrounding anticyclones changes the tracks cyclicly, and therefore
the odds of them hitting the USA.

Tricky things, statistics - one word can change the whole meaning of a
graph or table.

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

Thanks for that clarification Hoggle.

I will then revise my memory bank to these facts:

1. Hurricanes _have_ increased, if you include all Atlantic storms, in
both numbers and intensity.

2. The link between hurricanes increasing and AGW (Anthro. GW) is
tenuous to non-existent.

RL

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

Could you also check out the Emmanuel paper (link given several times)
and perhaps be open to the possibility that, globally, hurricanes are
becoming more energetic in line with global warming predictions? Same
number of storms (globally) but they are bigger. Possibly more to the
point, because this is a global trend (it's actually less marked in the
atlantic iirc) it eliminates local oscillations as a cause and requires
a global cause, such as global warming.

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

"raylopez99" wrote in message
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Let me help:

"Observed and recorded" Hurricanes _have_ increased, if you include all
Atlantic storms, in both numbers and intensity.

I won't even ask how category numbers were applied in 1851.

The more I study Wikipedia, the more of a pile of **** it appears.

It sure gets a lot of mileage here as "peer reviewed" fact, though.

That figures . . . . .

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS CLEARLY HAVE GONE DOWN, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT
 

The Numbers don't lie. COUNT THEM YOURSELF. See if you get different
numbers. Do the sums. See if your figures differ. Dived by terms, see
if your averages are off by one speck.

1851-1995 (145 years)
369/145 = 2.5 TS per year = 25 per 10-years Tropical Storms
275/145= 1.9 C1 per year = 19 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
197/145= 1.4 C2 per year = 14 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
153/145= 1.05 C3 per year = 10.5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category
3
76/145= 0.52 per year = 5.2 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
21/145= 0.14 per year = 1.4 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5

1996-2005 (10 years)
61/10= 6.1 per year = 61 per 10-years Tropical Storms
28/10= 2.8 per year = 28 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
12/10= 1.2 per year = 12 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
16/10= 1.6 per year = 16 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
19/10= 1.9 per year = 19 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
5/10= 0.5 per year = 5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5

PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE 1996-2005 to averages 1851-1995
1/25 x 61 = 144% MORE Tropical Storms, 1996-2005
1/19 x 28 = 47% MORE Hurricanes Category 1, 1996-2005
1/14 x 12 = 14% LESS Hurricanes Category 2, 1996-2005
1/10.5 x 16 = 52% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3, 1996-2005
1/10 x 19 = 90% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4, 1996-2005
1/1.4 x 5 = 257% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5, 1996-2005

COUNT THEM YOURSELF: HURRICANE NUMBERS ARE UP!
 

Hoggle wrote:
That table only includes huricanes that have struck mainland USA, which
is a subset of all Atlantic storms.

LIAR. Cheap whore sucking the Petroleum Jelly Pipeline. HURDAT is the
only databses we have for Atlantic Basin cyclones. It includes every
one known to date, pending further reviews of obsure historical sources
refining the passages of ancient storms through ships logs and yellowed
newspapers copied to microfilms.


It is also affected by the multi-decadal osscillation, as the position
of surrounding anticyclones changes the tracks cyclicly, and therefore
the odds of them hitting the USA.

LIAR, TRAMP. Big Gobs of Goo drolling down your chin onto your Blue
Dress, Monica.


Tricky things, statistics - one word can change the whole meaning of a
graph or table.

Yeah. Look at Lomborg.

That's why I provided the data in two versions, with link to the
original HURDAT. So people could do their OWN STATISTICS and not be
lied to by ANYBODY.

Then Check your whore figures to the ones you actually produce with
your own calculator. See whose lying and who is telling the truth.

1851-1995 (145 years)
369/145 = 2.5 TS per year = 25 per 10-years Tropical Storms
275/145= 1.9 C1 per year = 19 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
197/145= 1.4 C2 per year = 14 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
153/145= 1.05 C3 per year = 10.5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category
3
76/145= 0.52 per year = 5.2 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
21/145= 0.14 per year = 1.4 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5

1996-2005 (10 years)
61/10= 6.1 per year = 61 per 10-years Tropical Storms
28/10= 2.8 per year = 28 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 1
12/10= 1.2 per year = 12 per 10-years Hurricanes Category 2
16/10= 1.6 per year = 16 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3
19/10= 1.9 per year = 19 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4
5/10= 0.5 per year = 5 per 10-years MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5

PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE 1996-2005 to averages 1851-1995
1/25 x 61 = 144% MORE Tropical Storms, 1996-2005
1/19 x 28 = 47% MORE Hurricanes Category 1, 1996-2005
1/14 x 12 = 14% LESS Hurricanes Category 2, 1996-2005
1/10.5 x 16 = 52% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 3, 1996-2005
1/10 x 19 = 90% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 4, 1996-2005
1/1.4 x 5 = 257% MORE MAJOR Hurricanes Category 5, 1996-2005

Arguing with a child
 

idiot

I was refering (as the thread tree makes perfectly clear) to ray's
table:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
which is headlined:
Number of hurricanes by Saffir-Simpson Category to strike the mainland
U.S. each decade

Arguing with a child
 

You shouldn't need somebody to do your counting for you, as an adult.

Why are you an information-welfare-queen crying big sreaks of mascara
down your cheeks Tammy Fae, that people want you to count for yourself.

You suckle on a Bu****e govt website teat for your second-hand
information when you could have gotten truer information by counting
them yourself.

Deap Throat that Oil Pipeline, Monica, cover that Blue Rag with gobs of
Petroleum Jelly from liars who brought you WMDs and Swift Boats.

Arguing with a child
 

You shouldn't need somebody to do your counting for you, as an adult.

Why are you an information-welfare-queen crying big steaks of mascara
down your cheeks Tammy Fae, that people want you to count for yourself,
instead of expecting true information to come from Bu****e-controlled
websites.

You suckle on a Bu****e govt website teat for your second-hand
information when you could have gotten truer information by counting
them yourself.

Deap Throat that Oil Pipeline, Monica, cover that Blue Rag with gobs of
Petroleum Jelly from liars who brought you WMDs and Swift Boats.