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Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the
relative humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain

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Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the relative
humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain


Do a google search on the Clausius-Clapeyron Equation and Relative Humidity.

Dave


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David Moran wrote:
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Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the relative
humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain



Do a google search on the Clausius-Clapeyron Equation and Relative Humidity.

Dave



Does Clausius-Clapeyron work with wetbulb? I've only
ever used it with dewpoint.

Back when I took obs at the PSU Wx Tower, we slung the
psychrometer to get wetbulb and then used "The Magic
Wheel" to figure out RH given the dry and wetbulbs.


Scott
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David Moran wrote:
"Elekaj" wrote in message
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Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the relative
humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain



Do a google search on the Clausius-Clapeyron Equation and Relative
Humidity.

Dave


Does Clausius-Clapeyron work with wetbulb? I've only
ever used it with dewpoint.

Back when I took obs at the PSU Wx Tower, we slung the
psychrometer to get wetbulb and then used "The Magic
Wheel" to figure out RH given the dry and wetbulbs.


Scott


I thought there was a way to do it, but I don't remember how. I remember
seeing a problem like this on a test back in school.

Dave


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Elekaj wrote:

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the
relative humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?


There is no empirical formula to calculate relative humidity from
temperature and wet bulb depression. You'd need to measure dew point
to enable a calculation..

AFAIK the humidity tables based on wet bulb depression have been
derived entirely from observation.

--
John H


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Would a psychometric chart help you?
John_H wrote:
Elekaj wrote:

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the
relative humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?


There is no empirical formula to calculate relative humidity from
temperature and wet bulb depression. You'd need to measure dew point
to enable a calculation..

AFAIK the humidity tables based on wet bulb depression have been
derived entirely from observation.

--
John H


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If you know the air temperature and the wet bulb temperature, you first want
to calculate the actual mixing ratio of the air(W) using the following
formula.

(12) W=[(Tc-Twb)(Cp)-Lv(Eswb/P)]/[-(Tc-Twb)(Cpv)-Lv]

W=actual mixing ratio of air

Cp=specific heat of dry air at constant pressure(J/g)~1.005 J/g

Cpv= specific heat of water vapor at constant pressure(J/g)~4.186 J/g

Lv=Latent heat of vaporization(J/g)~2500 J/g

Tc=air temperature in degrees Celsius

Twb=wet bulb temperature in degrees Celsius

Eswb=saturation vapor pressure at the wet bulb temperature(mb)

P=atmospheric pressure at surface~1013 mb at sea-level

Once you have the actual vapor pressure, you can use the following formula
to calculate the saturation mixing ratio for the air.

(13) Ws=Es/P

Once you have the actual mixing ratio and the saturation mixing ratio, you
can use the following formula to calculate relative humidity.

(14) Relative Humidity(RH) in percent=(W/Ws)*100

Note: The latent heat of vaporization(Lv) varies slightly with temperature.
The value given above is an approximate value for the standard atmosphere at
0 degrees Celsius.

Note: Due to the large numbers of approximations using these formulas, your
final answer may vary by as much as 10 percent.


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Long ago, I created an excel spreadsheet add-in with formulas for
calculating humidity etc. its at:
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/42902169...8zvmDBX4BH7Jvf

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Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is mesuring
the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the temperature of a
wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the relative
humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain



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The El Paso Area NWS has a Weather Calculator
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/elp/wxcalc/wxcalc.shtml which you might find
useful; they also give the formulae you are looking for there at
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/elp/wxcalc/f...omWetBulb.html You
should be aware, however, that most tables/formulas are based on
observations made with a wet-bulb that is ventilated, either by whirling
or a fan. Strong ventilation is absolutely necessary to accuracy.

Bob

Elekaj wrote:

Hi

For mesuring humidty, I have two digitals thermometers. One is
mesuring the ambient air temperature and the second mesures the
temperature of a wet cotton (which is in contact with the ambient air).

In addition, I have a digital pressure sensor.

But my problem is that I don't know the formula to calculate the
relative humidity from dry temperature, wet temperature and pressure.

Someone know this formula ?

Thank you very much

Alain




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