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Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.


How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still half a
month left of 2005.


It does make you wonder how a year is defined in the study

scott

I imagine the data is such that even if Dec. is not the warmest, the year will
still be.

Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.


The rest of this article is just as interesting:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Science/story?id=1407585

"Roger Coppock" wrote in news:1134663656.088861.112730
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.

How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still half a
month left of 2005.

Thomas.Palm wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in news:1134663656.088861.112730
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:


Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.


How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still half a
month left of 2005.


It does make you wonder how a year is defined in the study

scott

"How can there be a tie before the game is even over?
There is still half a month left of 2005."


;-)

Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article ,
Scott wrote:

Thomas.Palm wrote:

"Roger Coppock" wrote in news:1134663656.088861.112730
:



Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.


How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still half a
month left of 2005.


It does make you wonder how a year is defined in the study

scott


I imagine the data is such that even if Dec. is not the warmest, the year will
still be.

I don't doubt it. But putting out a press release before
the end of the year, without acknowledging that there's
still data to add is just silly.

Note that I'm assuming it wasn't in the press release.
Maybe it was and the reporter didn't report it, or
the editor snipped it. Either way, bad reporting.

scott

"I imagine the data is such that even if Dec. is not the warmest,
the year will still be." --- Lloyd Parker

You're right, Lloyd. The data are he
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt

Scott wrote:
Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article ,
Scott wrote:

Thomas.Palm wrote:

"Roger Coppock" wrote in news:1134663656.088861.112730
:



Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in a
row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.


How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still half a
month left of 2005.


It does make you wonder how a year is defined in the study

scott


I imagine the data is such that even if Dec. is not the warmest, the year will
still be.

I don't doubt it. But putting out a press release before
the end of the year, without acknowledging that there's
still data to add is just silly.

Note that I'm assuming it wasn't in the press release.
Maybe it was and the reporter didn't report it, or
the editor snipped it. Either way, bad reporting.

Acually, it wasn't advertised at all, a rumor on
the usenet from BBC, a missing GISTEMP webpage.

Nothing at all in the media except now the ABC thing.

Hansen already made his statement on the Trib :

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...n/edhansen.php

You heard about it here first.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
oups.com...
"I imagine the data is such that even if Dec. is not the warmest,
the year will still be." --- Lloyd Parker

You're right, Lloyd. The data are he
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt


GLOBAL COOLING?
Coldest December
since late 1800s?
Meteorologist's claim comes on heels of climate-warming summit in Canada

Posted: December 13, 2005
9:42 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A weather expert says December 2005 is on pace to become one of the 10
coldest in more than 100 years, despite claims at a global conference on
climate change this week that the Earth is getting warmer.

Joe *******i, senior meteorologist with Accuweather.com, says present
weather patterns across the country show below-normal temperatures in the
single digits, with still colder air forecast in the coming weeks.


All told, he said, "the current look and pace may bring December 2005 in as
a top 10 month for cold Decembers nationwide since the late 1800s."

Some examples of the abnormally cold temps include: Omaha, Neb., (17.5
degrees below normal); Indianapolis, Ind., (14.1 degrees below normal);
Chicago, Ill., (13.9 degrees below normal); and Denver, Colo., (11.9 degrees
below normal).

"The cold is widespread, with below-normal temperatures recorded from
eastern Washington and Oregon south into Texas and into the Northeast," said
the weather service.

And it could get worse. Accuweather.com "is forecasting another week of
unseasonably cold weather, with the potential for another major snowstorm
developing on Wednesday."

While the current weather pattern may be considered anecdotal by some, it is
timely nonetheless, as it comes on the heels of a United Nations-sponsored
event in which most of the more than 150 nations participating claimed the
world is getting warmer - a phenomenon most blamed on the United States.

Washington was the most frequent target of criticism over the course of the
two-week summit in Montreal, Canada, where participants blamed the U.S. for
being the world's largest contributor of harmful atmospheric emissions some
experts say are increasing, on average, global temperatures.

One such critic is former President Bill Clinton, who called the Bush
administration "flat wrong" for saying enforcement of a global
emissions-reduction treaty - the so-called Kyoto Protocols, after the city
in Japan where they were negotiated - would harm the U.S. economy.

Clinton said global warming has been proven by mounting evidence of
melting ice caps, retreating glaciers and rising carbon dioxide levels in
the atmosphere.

"We are uncertain about how deep and the time of arrival of the
consequences, but we are quite clear that they will not be good," he said in
a speech that reportedly upset U.S. delegates to the conference.

Others aren't so sure.

State climatologist George Taylor of Oregon told the Washington Post recent
data suggesting the Earth could warm from 2 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100
are "mighty preliminary."

"I just don't trust it," he said.

"Thomas.Palm" Thomas.Palm@somewhere wrote in
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"Roger Coppock" wrote in
news:1134663656.088861.112730 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming
Why Santa May Soon Need a Boat -- But It's No Joke

By BILL BLAKEMORE

Dec. 15, 2005 -- NASA has just announced that for the fourth year in
a row, it has recorded the hottest annual global temperatures since
reliable records started in the late 1800s.

This year, 2005, tied for the hottest year ever with 1998 - and 1998
was "an El Niño of the Century year - and El Niños always make it
hotter. If this had been an El Niño year, it would surely have been
the hottest year of all," Dr. James Hansen, NASA earth sciences
director, told ABC News.

How can there be a tie before the game is even over? There is still
half a month left of 2005.

Apparently the story was somewhat justified:
"Due to a historical quirk (of unknown origin), the World Meterological
Organisation releases its summary for each year based on the Dec to Nov
'meteorlogical year' means (rather than the more usual calendar year)."
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=231