"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

Judge Rejects 'Intelligent Design'
Associated Press
December 20, 2005 11:21 a.m.

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- "Intelligent design" can't be mentioned in biology classes
in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling
in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes
trial.

Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered
that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was
produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E.
Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even
while professing religious beliefs, he said.

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Here is the judge's decision:

http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf

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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long
about page 60 it even says that science must
consider only natural, and not supernatural,
explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied
to the Kansas state school board, which has
tried to redefine science to include the supernatural.

This decision is that it is not the result of an
"activist judge." This decision is based totally
on president, not activism.


NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo
scientists into court!

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

Roger Coppock wrote:
I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long
about page 60 it even says that science must
consider only natural, and not supernatural,
explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied
to the Kansas state school board, which has
tried to redefine science to include the supernatural.

This decision is that it is not the result of an
"activist judge." This decision is based totally
on president, not activism.


NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo
scientists into court!

You forget what rules the Supreme court these days!

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

In article .com, says...


Roger Coppock wrote:
I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long
about page 60 it even says that science must
consider only natural, and not supernatural,
explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied
to the Kansas state school board, which has
tried to redefine science to include the supernatural.

This decision is that it is not the result of an
"activist judge." This decision is based totally
on president, not activism.


NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo
scientists into court!

You forget what rules the Supreme court these days!

So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion
in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form
of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the
Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and
scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science.

If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a
"temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian
Church? I'd like to participate in all those other non-profit benifits,
just like the Baptists and the Catholics. This could get fun, unless the
Fundi's go on a "Sci-witch hunt" rampage.

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Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

Eric Swanson wrote:
In article .com, says...


Roger Coppock wrote:
I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long
about page 60 it even says that science must
consider only natural, and not supernatural,
explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied
to the Kansas state school board, which has
tried to redefine science to include the supernatural.

This decision is that it is not the result of an
"activist judge." This decision is based totally
on president, not activism.


NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo
scientists into court!

You forget what rules the Supreme court these days!

So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion
in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form
of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the
Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and
scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science.


That was duscussed on Book TV Last week by Richard Florida! He said
such as Intelligent design is creating and environment that is not
conducive to keeping Grad studens in the US! They are returning to
Such as India and South Korea to further their careers! The US Grad
schools are dependent on foreign students anymore since we don't
produce the students to fill them anymore!

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If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a
"temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian
Church? I'd like to participate in all those other non-profit benifits,
just like the Baptists and the Catholics. This could get fun, unless the
Fundi's go on a "Sci-witch hunt" rampage.

Why not? Don't we have the "Church of Scientology"?



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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more,
judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this
case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated
by George W. Bush as well.

This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial
activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in
question, many are taken from the court record or are
recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the
defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though
we may see other attempts at public school takeover
from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for
creationism in public school biology classes.

It's all over in Dover!

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

Roger Coppock wrote:
You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more,
judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this
case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated
by George W. Bush as well.

This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial
activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in
question, many are taken from the court record or are
recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the
defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though
we may see other attempts at public school takeover
from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for
creationism in public school biology classes.

It's all over in Dover!

You fail to realize that with all the shouting about Judicial activism
of so-called Liberal Judges, such as Clarence Thomas has been much more
activist in his decisions than the so-called Liberal element!

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

In article .com, "Roger Coppock" wrote:
You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more,
judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this
case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated
by George W. Bush as well.

This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial

From what filters down here about the views of Shrub, I find it hard
to believe this decision relies on "president". ;-)

activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in
question, many are taken from the court record or are
recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the
defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though
we may see other attempts at public school takeover
from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for
creationism in public school biology classes.

It's all over in Dover!


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

Eric Swanson wrote:
In article .com, says...


Roger Coppock wrote:

I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long
about page 60 it even says that science must
consider only natural, and not supernatural,
explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied
to the Kansas state school board, which has
tried to redefine science to include the supernatural.

This decision is that it is not the result of an
"activist judge." This decision is based totally
on president, not activism.


NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo
scientists into court!

You forget what rules the Supreme court these days!


So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion
in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form
of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the
Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and
scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science.

Why would the Supreme Court rule on this? It's
not likely to be appealed, since the School Board
was voted out en masse and replaced by saner members.


Scott

"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
 

On 20 Dec 2005 18:51:08 -0800,
coco , in
.com wrote:

+ Such as India and South Korea to further their careers! The US Grad
+ schools are dependent on foreign students anymore since we don't
+ produce the students to fill them anymore!

Maybe that has something to do with the lack of a proper K-12
education? it's hard for little Johnny to be a good engineer or
scientist if he can't read, write or do mathematics.

James
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isn't looking good, either.
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