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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Judge Rejects 'Intelligent Design'
Associated Press December 20, 2005 11:21 a.m. HARRISBURG, Pa. -- "Intelligent design" can't be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said. --- Here is the judge's decision: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf -- Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-) -------------------------------------------------------------- |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL
victory for science over pseudo-science. Long about page 60 it even says that science must consider only natural, and not supernatural, explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied to the Kansas state school board, which has tried to redefine science to include the supernatural. This decision is that it is not the result of an "activist judge." This decision is based totally on president, not activism. NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo scientists into court! |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Roger Coppock wrote: I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL victory for science over pseudo-science. Long about page 60 it even says that science must consider only natural, and not supernatural, explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied to the Kansas state school board, which has tried to redefine science to include the supernatural. This decision is that it is not the result of an "activist judge." This decision is based totally on president, not activism. NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo scientists into court! You forget what rules the Supreme court these days! |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Eric Swanson wrote: In article .com, says... Roger Coppock wrote: I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL victory for science over pseudo-science. Long about page 60 it even says that science must consider only natural, and not supernatural, explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied to the Kansas state school board, which has tried to redefine science to include the supernatural. This decision is that it is not the result of an "activist judge." This decision is based totally on president, not activism. NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo scientists into court! You forget what rules the Supreme court these days! So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science. That was duscussed on Book TV Last week by Richard Florida! He said such as Intelligent design is creating and environment that is not conducive to keeping Grad studens in the US! They are returning to Such as India and South Korea to further their careers! The US Grad schools are dependent on foreign students anymore since we don't produce the students to fill them anymore! ------------------------ On Sunday, December 18 at 12:00 pm The Flight of the Creative Class: The New Global Competition for Talent Richard Florida Description: Economics professor Richard Florida writes that America needs to facilitate the emigration of talented artists, scientists, doctors, and other industry-leading thinkers so that their talents are realized in America, as opposed to countries abroad. This is the topic of his new book, "The Flight of the Creative Class: The New Global Competition for Talent." In it, the author makes the case that shifting societal values, the rising costs of urban living throughout America, and the enthusiasm displayed by those countries eager to foster a creative environment for the talented, have changed America's role in the global competition for talent. Author Bio: Richard Florida is also the author of "Rise of the Creative Class," Washington Monthly's 2002 political book of the year. He is currently a public policy professor at George Mason University and a Senior Fellow with the Brookings Institution in Washington, DC. Publisher: HarperCollins 10 E 53 Street, 20th Floor New York, NY 10022 If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a "temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian Church? I'd like to participate in all those other non-profit benifits, just like the Baptists and the Catholics. This could get fun, unless the Fundi's go on a "Sci-witch hunt" rampage. Why not? Don't we have the "Church of Scientology"? -- Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-) -------------------------------------------------------------- |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more,
judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated by George W. Bush as well. This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in question, many are taken from the court record or are recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though we may see other attempts at public school takeover from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for creationism in public school biology classes. It's all over in Dover! |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Roger Coppock wrote:
You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more, judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated by George W. Bush as well. This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in question, many are taken from the court record or are recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though we may see other attempts at public school takeover from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for creationism in public school biology classes. It's all over in Dover! You fail to realize that with all the shouting about Judicial activism of so-called Liberal Judges, such as Clarence Thomas has been much more activist in his decisions than the so-called Liberal element! |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
In article .com, "Roger Coppock" wrote:
You mean a Supreme Court of the US, with two, or more, judges nominated by George W. Bush? The judge in this case, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, was nominated by George W. Bush as well. This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial From what filters down here about the views of Shrub, I find it hard to believe this decision relies on "president". ;-) activism. None of the facts in this case are seriously in question, many are taken from the court record or are recordings on TV. It will be interesting to see what the defendant's bar will question in it for appeal. Though we may see other attempts at public school takeover from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for creationism in public school biology classes. It's all over in Dover! Cheers, Phred. -- LID |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
On 20 Dec 2005 18:51:08 -0800,
coco , in .com wrote: + Such as India and South Korea to further their careers! The US Grad + schools are dependent on foreign students anymore since we don't + produce the students to fill them anymore! Maybe that has something to do with the lack of a proper K-12 education? it's hard for little Johnny to be a good engineer or scientist if he can't read, write or do mathematics. James -- Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good, either. I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
OH FRACK! DAM THOSE SPELL CHECKERS,
YOU GOTA WATCH THEM! This decision relies entirely on on president, not judicial From what filters down here about the views of Shrub, I find it hard to believe this decision relies on "president". ;-) |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Scott wrote:
Eric Swanson wrote: In article .com, says... Roger Coppock wrote: I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL victory for science over pseudo-science. Long about page 60 it even says that science must consider only natural, and not supernatural, explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied to the Kansas state school board, which has tried to redefine science to include the supernatural. This decision is that it is not the result of an "activist judge." This decision is based totally on president, not activism. NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo scientists into court! You forget what rules the Supreme court these days! So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science. Why would the Supreme Court rule on this? It's not likely to be appealed, since the School Board was voted out en masse and replaced by saner members. Scott It ain't over till it is over! There will be other cases in other places! |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
The judges in those other cases will all cite this case as a precedent.
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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
In article 8Jmqf.44673$eI5.16915@trnddc05, says...
Eric Swanson wrote: In article .com, says... NOW, if we can only get the fossil fool pseudo scientists into court! You forget what rules the Supreme court these days! So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science. If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a "temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian Church? Been done. L. Ron beat you to it. But, but, but, is Scientology really science?? Do they study the natural world, etc.? They are more like the Universal Life Church, IMHO. -- Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-) -------------------------------------------------------------- |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Eric Swanson wrote: If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a "temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian Church? Been done. L. Ron beat you to it. But, but, but, is Scientology really science?? Sorry. Scientology is pure science fiction. That's how they get the coveted tax exempt status. http://cosmic.lifeform.org |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
wrote:
Eric Swanson wrote: If science is a religion, can I claim to be a preacher and call my house a "temple of science" and then stop paying property taxes, like a Christian Church? Been done. L. Ron beat you to it. But, but, but, is Scientology really science?? Sorry. Scientology is pure science fiction. That's how they get the coveted tax exempt status. http://cosmic.lifeform.org See, it has the word science in it. It must be science. josh halpern |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Eric Swanson" wrote in message
HARRISBURG, Pa. -- "Intelligent design" can't be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. Once the legitimate American Public get effective representation in the U.S. court system, evolution will be banned from all public classrooms as the Luciferian inspired communist, anti-man clap trap that it is. Praise God for giving the American Empire a great man like George W. Bush as our Christian leader. -- "We must create a economic crisis in order to ensure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995. "We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian. "Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government, paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior Economist - Progressive Policy Institute. "They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
oups.com... I just finished reading the decision. It is a TOTAL victory for science over pseudo-science. Long about page 60 it even says that science must consider only natural, and not supernatural, explanations. (DUH!) This will surely be applied to the Kansas state school board, which has tried to redefine science to include the supernatural. The decision by a LIBERAL judge is illegitimate as it does not reflect the truth of God or the will of the American people. Lucifer will be expunged from our schools, either through Christian control of the courts, or through Christian vengence upon the courts. -- "We must create a economic crisis in order to ensure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995. "We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian. "Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government, paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior Economist - Progressive Policy Institute. "They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Eric Swanson" wrote in message So, will the new, more conservative Supreme Court rule that teaching religion in public schools is constitutional, or will they rule that science is a form of religion and thus should NOT be taught in public schools?? Given that the Orientals are already producing an order of magnitude more engineers and scientists than the U.S., that last option would sink U.S. science. Science has always been the religion of Lucifer and therefore the enemy of God and the Christian faith. Those who claim that there is any constitutional requirement that church and state be separate are liars. The only valid state government is, like the original governments, one established by God and ruled as a church for his worship. Anything less is pure Communism. -- "We must create a economic crisis in order to ensure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995. "We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian. "Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government, paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior Economist - Progressive Policy Institute. "They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"coco" wrote in message That was duscussed on Book TV Last week by Richard Florida! He said such as Intelligent design is creating and environment that is not conducive to keeping Grad studens in the US! They are returning to Such as India and South Korea to further their careers! The US Grad schools are dependent on foreign students anymore since we don't produce the students to fill them anymore! No earthy engineer is going to stop the second coming. Let them have thier pointless engineers and so called scientists. We will bask in the glory and glow of God in the end times that are now upon us. -- "We must create a economic crisis in order to ensure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995. "We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian. "Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government, paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior Economist - Progressive Policy Institute. "They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
You fail to realize that with all the shouting about Judicial activism of so-called Liberal Judges, such as Clarence Thomas has been much more activist in his decisions than the so-called Liberal element! Returning America to it's Gody Christian roots is not activism, it's justice and glory. Those Liberals who have conspired with Lucifer to debase America with sex and pornography and the questioning of the Christian orthadoxy, are the activists and terrorists. They are traitors who are guilty of sedition and will soon be punished accordingly by the true glory of God and God's chosen leader of the America Empire. George W. Bush. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
Martin wrote:
You fail to realize that with all the shouting about Judicial activism of so-called Liberal Judges, such as Clarence Thomas has been much more activist in his decisions than the so-called Liberal element! Returning America to it's Gody Christian roots is not activism, it's justice and glory. Those Liberals who have conspired with Lucifer to debase America with sex and pornography and the questioning of the Christian orthadoxy, are the activists and terrorists. They are traitors who are guilty of sedition and will soon be punished accordingly by the true glory of God and God's chosen leader of the America Empire. George W. Bush. Besides Martin, other well known members of the American Taliban!: http://moose-and-squirrel.com/bozo/bozo.html |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Roger Coppock" wrote we may see other attempts at public school takeover from religious extremists, I think this is the last gasp for creationism in public school biology classes. God is eternal, and so is Christian Resolve. You may need to clean your underpants once we finally gain Christian Control over the Supreme court. Hahahahahahahahahahahah..... |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Roger Coppock" wrote The judges in those other cases will all cite this case as a precedent. To be lost on appeal. This is a Christian nation and WE WILL HAVE A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL SYSTEM. God demands it. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
There is no god and you are a raving lunatic.
Martin wrote: "Roger Coppock" wrote The judges in those other cases will all cite this case as a precedent. To be lost on appeal. This is a Christian nation and WE WILL HAVE A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL SYSTEM. God demands it. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
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"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"David E. White" wrote There is no god and you are a raving lunatic. "We see the conservative Christians, led by the Christian Coalition, bowing to the idol of "pluralism." ....Pluralism is defined as each person having an equal voice in a democratic process. This has become the battle cry for Ralph Reed: "All we want is equal time!" Either he is ignorant or he is lying. Most politically active Christians don't want equal time with homosexuals, abortionists, animal worshipping pagans, witches, radical feminists and pornographers. We want them silenced and mercifully disciplined according to the word of God." --Jay Rogers reviewing Ralph Reed's Politically Incorrect in "Chalcedon Report," 2/95 |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"Eric Swanson" wrote in message news:dpfdm1 I'm afraid that there are lots of others like him outside the cities. I didn't realize how serious these guys are until I moved out to the country and found myself surrounded by like minded folks. They generally don't have a grasp on science and still think like their grandparents and their grandparents grandparents, etc. Far superior to Liberal educated Bafoons who worship whales, whicker hats, magic underpants, murdering the unborn or whom blatently proclaim their alliance with Lucifer himself. Liberalism nearly destroyed this nation. Returning to our greatness means returning to our roots, and that necessarily means thinking like our great, great grandparents. Science is fundamentally anti-God. -- "We must create a economic crisis in order to ensure that there is no alternative to a smaller government." - Bush - Imprimus Magazine 1995. "We seek to remove resources from the control of the state, thereby starving it." - International Society for Individual Liberty - NeoCon Libertarian. "Throughout his term, Bush has implied tax cuts would starve the government, paying for themselves by causing budget deficits that, in turn, would place heavy pressure on Congress to lower spending." - Jeff Lemieux - Senior Economist - Progressive Policy Institute. "They have an agenda which is to starve the government of revenue. But in order to get it through, they keep on having to pretend that the tax cuts are affordable, and so they've been suppressing the likely cost of everything, including the war on terror." - Paul Krugman - Economist. |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:55:23 +0000 (UTC), (Eric
Swanson) wrote: Judge Rejects 'Intelligent Design' Associated Press December 20, 2005 11:21 a.m. HARRISBURG, Pa. -- "Intelligent design" can't be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said. --- Here is the judge's decision: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf all i can say is "thank god." heh heh heh... |
"Intelligent Design" proponents lose Dover PA case
"beav" wrote in message
... On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:55:23 +0000 (UTC), (Eric Swanson) wrote: Judge Rejects 'Intelligent Design' Associated Press December 20, 2005 11:21 a.m. HARRISBURG, Pa. -- "Intelligent design" can't be mentioned in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district, a federal judge said Tuesday, ruling in one of the biggest courtroom clashes on evolution since the 1925 Scopes trial. Dover Area School Board members violated the Constitution when they ordered that its biology curriculum must include the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III said. Several members repeatedly lied to cover their motives even while professing religious beliefs, he said. --- Here is the judge's decision: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmil...miller_342.pdf all i can say is "thank god." heh heh heh... ROFL! You're mean... -- Coby Beck (remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com") |
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