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[email protected] July 12th 06 07:30 AM

Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
I am favoring thistle seed over that of Cottonwood seed as the
reflectant placed in the atmosphere by airplanes in the apogee of their
flightpath. Thistle because it is easy to grow and harvest and is more
durable and reflective than cottonwood seed.

All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed. How much farmland is this? Given some
assumptions it is 30,000 farms of 30,000 square meters all in thistle.
This is 900,000,000 square meters or 900,000 square kilometers. Now
what states in the USA could devote nearly a million square kilometers
to growing thistles for their seeds? Now the land area of the whole of
the USA is about 9 million square kilometers. So, 1/9 of the land of
the USA growing thistle seed could solve Global Warming.

But I think thistle is easy to grow in poor countries such as Africa
and Afghanistan, (instead of growing opium, grow thistle). And if the
pay were set standard pay of say a few cents per thistle-seed-capsule
would mean a large income to poor families of the world.

We would need material scientists to tell us how good of a reflectant.
How durable of a reflectant. How long will they last up there. How long
would it take for the world's airplanes to deliver 30 cubic kilometers
of thistle seed into the atmosphere. Will they clump up there?

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


AJ July 12th 06 04:16 PM

Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
writes:

All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed.


If you think 30,000 cubic meters is the same as 30 cubic kilometers,
well, I guess you aren't so good at math or physics, are you?

[email protected] July 12th 06 05:41 PM

Cirsium arvense Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

And whether the world has an even better seed crop to solve Global
Warming. It would be nice to have some plant without all those stickers
and grows as wild and easily as thistle.

It is too difficult to harvest cottonwood seed trees some 50 feet tall
or taller.

Dandelion seed are too fragile. I need a seed that can be stored easily
and then put into airplanes and emitted at the apogee of their
flightpath. So that constraint rules out dandelion seed.

Perhaps cotton may do. Perhaps cotton may even be better than thistle
seed. Can we cut cotton into very fine and small fibers. And how does
cotton perform as a reflectant of sunlight?

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


wxforecaster July 13th 06 01:19 AM

Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
Apparently the concept of gravity wasn't a strong point either.

"AJ" wrote in message
...
writes:

All we need to do is match the Pinatuba volcano eruption of 1992 with
its coolest summer. Pinatuba emitted some sulfur compounds of a 30 km
cube into the atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. So all I need is 30,000
meter cube of thistle seed.


If you think 30,000 cubic meters is the same as 30 cubic kilometers,
well, I guess you aren't so good at math or physics, are you?




Richard Herring July 13th 06 10:31 AM

Cirsium arvense Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
In message .com,
writes
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

And whether the world has an even better seed crop to solve Global
Warming. It would be nice to have some plant without all those stickers
and grows as wild and easily as thistle.

It is too difficult to harvest cottonwood seed trees some 50 feet tall
or taller.

Dandelion seed are too fragile. I need a seed that can be stored easily
and then put into airplanes and emitted at the apogee of their
flightpath. So that constraint rules out dandelion seed.

Perhaps cotton may do. Perhaps cotton may even be better than thistle
seed. Can we cut cotton into very fine and small fibers. And how does
cotton perform as a reflectant of sunlight?

Never mind that, how does it perform as jet fuel?

--
Richard Herring

[email protected] July 13th 06 07:46 PM

can thistle be a 3X summer crop?? Cirsium arvense Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 

wrote:
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.

And whether the world has an even better seed crop to solve Global
Warming. It would be nice to have some plant without all those stickers
and grows as wild and easily as thistle.

It is too difficult to harvest cottonwood seed trees some 50 feet tall
or taller.

Dandelion seed are too fragile. I need a seed that can be stored easily
and then put into airplanes and emitted at the apogee of their
flightpath. So that constraint rules out dandelion seed.

Perhaps cotton may do. Perhaps cotton may even be better than thistle
seed. Can we cut cotton into very fine and small fibers. And how does
cotton perform as a reflectant of sunlight?


Now I needed to shift this discussion to sci.bio.botany where someone
can answer this question. For I noticed on thistle that it seems to be
able to grow during the summer to provide not just 1 crop harvest of
seed but 3 crop harvests of seed. Where it is fully mature by June for
a first harvest, cut the patch down and grow a 2nd crop and harvest the
seed by Aug, then cut the patch and grow a 3rd crop and harvest by
October. Correct me if wrong or right, thistle as a solver of global
warming grown as a crop to harvest its seeds in order to put into the
upper atmosphere by airplanes emitting in the apogee of their
flightpath, can have 3 harvests per year.

Is that true about Thistle???

And perhaps growing thistle will have many agriculture firsts. The
first time a weed, and highly obnoxious weed is used as a beneficial
crop. But is it the first crop that can have 3 harvests per year. I
know alfalfa has several cuts during the year but unlike thistle.

Now I computed that if thistle has one crop of seed per year would
require 1/9 of all the land of the USA to solve global warming using
Pinatuba 1992 summer as the model. Or instead of 1/9 of USA land to
grow thistle, 2 countries the sum size of Afghanistan growing thistle.
I prefer drug countries to switch from drugs to thistle solving global
warming. Or many poor countries paid a international price for each
thistle pod of seed.

But if thistle can be grown to have 3 crop harvests per year would mean
that instead of 1/9 of all of USA to solve global warming we have
merely 1/27. So instead of say the land of California and Texas used to
grow thistle to solve global warming, all of a sudden becomes merely
the land of say Kansas that grows three crops of thistle per year and
solves global warming.

We may have trouble in harvesting the seed pods as to fragility. And it
maybe the case were it is best to grow all the thistle in one country
or state or location and thence distribute it to all the airplane
flights.


Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


John Savage July 15th 06 06:09 AM

Cirsium arvense Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 
Richard Herring ] writes:
In message .com,
writes
Cirsium arvense or Canada thistle is what I have. Not sure if I have
Cirsium vulgare or Bull thistle.


Is that better than the ubiquitous purple-flowered Scotch Thistle?

Never mind that, how does it perform as jet fuel?


Spectacularly!
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

[email protected] July 15th 06 10:20 AM

Scotch thistle (Onopordum acanthium) Cirsium arvense Thistle seed to solve Global Warming
 

John Savage wrote:
(snipped)

Is that better than the ubiquitous purple-flowered Scotch Thistle?


Had to look this one up. Found it to be Scotch thistle (Onopordum
acanthium). I could not find data as to the seeds. Whether these seeds
would be better than other thistle species seed for use as a Sun
reflectant to solve global warming (emitted by airplanes in apogee of
flightpath).

Apparently there are many types of thistle. I do not know what plant
seed is the best for solving global warming, or whether there is some
plant outside of thistles.

Hopefully the best plant seed is a weed that can easily be made an
agriculture crop and whose seed is perfect as a Sun reflectant and
will stay in the upper atmosphere for a long time. Hopefully we can get
3 harvests of this weed per year.

Maybe in the harvesting the seed capsule is first cut then the rest of
the plant stalk is cut to the ground and grinded into pieces that is
also useable. Allowing the thistle to regrow for a 2nd and even 3rd
yearly harvest.

Maybe cotton is better than thistle when the cotton is grinded into
tiny pieces. But the thistle seed is meant to be airborne. And maybe
that design is better than cotton.

I would like a plant that is less thorny than thistle. A plant where
poor people and children can go out and collect and earn some money. I
am hoping it is a weed and that it is less thorny than these vicious
Scotch thistle.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies



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