Let's start a seperate thread, a counterfactual, a "what if". For you
AGW'er cultists, let's STIPULATE (means 'agree to' or 'pretend to agree
to') that there IS GLOBAL WARMING as outlined by the Arrhenius/IPCC
report, but that as an ACADEMIC EXERCISE in a parallel universe like
earth where there was NO INCREASE in MAN-MADE CO2, suppose that since
1980 a temperature spike of 0.2-0.3C has occurred since 1981 *REF1

What are some possible causes OUTSIDE OF MAN-MADE CO2? (remember, in
our counterfactual there is no man-made CO2 increase).

Try and cite web links where possible.

Some reasons: (refer to REF1)

1. Increased El Nino--release CO2, and also causes, due to temperature
gradients in the oceans, weather to change and affects worldwide
temperatures.

2. Increased volcanic activity (REF1)

3. Increased boundary layer effects in troposphere boundary layer
(which gives a false positive in temperatures)

4. UHI (Urban Heat Island)

5. Increased solar output since we are coming out of a solar minimum
(recall the IPCC says this is up to 30% of the cause of global warming)

These are five that I can think of off the top of my head. Any others?

Food for thought: if just these five can produce 0.2/5 = 0.04C =
0.072F = 7.2 HUNDREDTHS of a degree Farenheit change, then these five
factors have explained the paltry increase in temperatures since 1981
that are the basis for the current Global Warming hysteria.

RL

*REF1- http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html - Yes.
Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.6°C (plus or minus
0.2°C) since the late-19th century, and about 0.4°F (0.2 to 0.3°C)
over the past 25 years (the period with the most credible data).

ENSO is a more general term than El Nino, and note this link on the
Southern Oscillation, which is a non-linear ocean pattern. Could it be
that ENSO / SO is the 'cause' of the paltry increase of 0.2C since 1981
that is the basis for the current AGW hysteria?

Yes, yes it could.

Note the below keyword: *UNCLEAR*. This argues for further research,
not knee-jerk "act now" hysteria.

RL

from *REF1

Is the atmospheric/oceanic circulation changing?

A rather abrupt change in the El Niño - Southern Oscillation behavior
occurred around 1976/77 and the new regime has persisted. There have
been relatively more frequent and presistent El Niño episodes rather
than the cool La Niñas. This behavior is highly unusual in the last
120 years (the period of instrumental record). Changes in precipitation
over the tropical Pacific are related to this change in the El Niño -
Southern Oscillation, which has also affected the pattern and magnitude
of surface temperatures. However, it is unclear as to whether this
apparent change in the ENSO cycle is caused by global warming.

No stipulation needed, all your posts are counterfactual, Ray.
You pretend to have had the Academic exercise that led to
an education, but we all know that's counterfactual too.

What hell is the "Arrhenius/IPCC report?" It has got to be
another psychedelic fantasy of yours Ray, because Arrhenius
died decades before the IPCC was founded.

Also, Earth is not a universe, it is a planet.

Is it that your crazy theories of global warming do not even
begin to apply to the real world, so you have to make up
your own fantasy universe where whatever you say is true?
Do you have an invisible friend who lives in Ray Lopez Land
too? Is she the only girl who really likes you and believes in
you, unlike all the real people from the outside.

raylopez99 wrote:
Let's start a seperate thread, a counterfactual, a "what if". For you
AGW'er cultists, let's STIPULATE (means 'agree to' or 'pretend to agree
to') that there IS GLOBAL WARMING as outlined by the Arrhenius/IPCC
report, but that as an ACADEMIC EXERCISE in a parallel universe like
earth where there was NO INCREASE in MAN-MADE CO2, suppose that since
1980 a temperature spike of 0.2-0.3C has occurred since 1981 *REF1

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"raylopez99" wrote in
ups.com:

Let's start a seperate thread, a counterfactual, a "what if". For you
AGW'er cultists, let's STIPULATE (means 'agree to' or 'pretend to
agree to') that there IS GLOBAL WARMING as outlined by the
Arrhenius/IPCC report, but that as an ACADEMIC EXERCISE in a parallel
universe like earth where there was NO INCREASE in MAN-MADE CO2,
suppose that since 1980 a temperature spike of 0.2-0.3C has occurred
since 1981 *REF1

What are some possible causes OUTSIDE OF MAN-MADE CO2? (remember, in
our counterfactual there is no man-made CO2 increase).

Try and cite web links where possible.

Some reasons: (refer to REF1)

1. Increased El Nino--release CO2, and also causes, due to temperature
gradients in the oceans, weather to change and affects worldwide
temperatures.

2. Increased volcanic activity (REF1)

3. Increased boundary layer effects in troposphere boundary layer
(which gives a false positive in temperatures)

4. UHI (Urban Heat Island)

5. Increased solar output since we are coming out of a solar minimum
(recall the IPCC says this is up to 30% of the cause of global
warming)

These are five that I can think of off the top of my head. Any
others?

Food for thought: if just these five can produce 0.2/5 = 0.04C 0.072F
= 7.2 HUNDREDTHS of a degree Farenheit change, then these five factors
have explained the paltry increase in temperatures since 1981 that are
the basis for the current Global Warming hysteria.

RL

*REF1- http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html - Yes.
Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.6°C (plus or minus
0.2°C) since the late-19th century, and about 0.4°F (0.2 to 0.3°C)
over the past 25 years (the period with the most credible data).


Google says: Your search - Arrhenius/IPCC - did not match any documents.
Fiction?

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You know, I always thought Ray lived in his own pretend universe.
Let's STIPULATE that he not post any more messages until he returns to
the real universe.

Jim

LMAO!

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
oups.com...
No stipulation needed, all your posts are counterfactual, Ray.
You pretend to have had the Academic exercise that led to
an education, but we all know that's counterfactual too.

What hell is the "Arrhenius/IPCC report?" It has got to be
another psychedelic fantasy of yours Ray, because Arrhenius
died decades before the IPCC was founded.

Also, Earth is not a universe, it is a planet.

Is it that your crazy theories of global warming do not even
begin to apply to the real world, so you have to make up
your own fantasy universe where whatever you say is true?
Do you have an invisible friend who lives in Ray Lopez Land
too? Is she the only girl who really likes you and believes in
you, unlike all the real people from the outside.

raylopez99 wrote:
Let's start a seperate thread, a counterfactual, a "what if". For you
AGW'er cultists, let's STIPULATE (means 'agree to' or 'pretend to agree
to') that there IS GLOBAL WARMING as outlined by the Arrhenius/IPCC
report, but that as an ACADEMIC EXERCISE in a parallel universe like
earth where there was NO INCREASE in MAN-MADE CO2, suppose that since
1980 a temperature spike of 0.2-0.3C has occurred since 1981 *REF1

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