Weather Banter - CO2 RISE: A 6 DF CURVE FIT

wrote in ps.com:

Phil. wrote:
You have a very strange idea of exact!
Also note that the GH forcing from the same source (provided by you
below) is a factor of ten times greater than the solar forcing

Yup, it's greater I'll agree with that. Doesn't match the Temp. record,
but it is greater...

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"The goal of the disinformation campaign wasn't to win the debate,"
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Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat who chaired the
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It cited an Aug. 21, 1969, internal memorandum W. Burgard, Brown &
Williamson's vice president for marketing, saying. "Doubt is our product
since it is the best means of competing with the body of fact that exists
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controversy."

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competition as the body of anti-cigarette fact that exists in the public
mind. We have chosen the mass public as our consumer for several reasons:
- This is where the misinformation about smoking und health has been
focused. The Congress and federal agencies are already being dealt with
-- and perhaps as effectively as possible -- by the Tobacco Institute. It
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