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Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote: On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Peter Franks wrote: [ . . . ] Roger Coppock wrote: Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. ... As originally posted in spawning thread: Why only 50 years? I'm not considering CO2 as part of my correlation, why are you? This is an arbitrary and fictitious limit that you have imposed without sound justification, and therefore I must conclude that your results are (deliberately?) skewed. [ . . . ] DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so. Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. Yes, I read that. DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so either. I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2 in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between temperature and sunspots for the time period in question, specifically 1850-2000. And just so that it is clear this time you ignore it, again. NOT INTERESTED IN CORRELATING WITH CO2 IN THIS DISCUSSION. I lifted this URL from another thread. I think it contains what you want. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/TempCO2Sunspots.html . |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
"Peter Franks" wrote I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2 in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between temperature and sunspots for the time period in question, specifically 1850-2000. There is none. |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
John M. wrote:
On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote: Roger Coppock wrote: On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Peter Franks wrote: [ . . . ] Roger Coppock wrote: Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. ... As originally posted in spawning thread: Why only 50 years? I'm not considering CO2 as part of my correlation, why are you? This is an arbitrary and fictitious limit that you have imposed without sound justification, and therefore I must conclude that your results are (deliberately?) skewed. [ . . . ] DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so. Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. Yes, I read that. DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so either. I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2 in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between temperature and sunspots for the time period in question, specifically 1850-2000. And just so that it is clear this time you ignore it, again. NOT INTERESTED IN CORRELATING WITH CO2 IN THIS DISCUSSION. I lifted this URL from another thread. I think it contains what you want. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/TempCO2Sunspots.html . Thanks, I saw that thread. However, it doesn't address the timespan of 1850-2000. |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
"Peter Franks" wrote Thanks, I saw that thread. However, it doesn't address the timespan of 1850-2000. Don't you know how to use a pencil? |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
On Feb 19, 2:06 am, Peter Franks wrote:
John M. wrote: On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote: Roger Coppock wrote: On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Peter Franks wrote: [ . . . ] Roger Coppock wrote: Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. ... As originally posted in spawning thread: Why only 50 years? I'm not considering CO2 as part of my correlation, why are you? This is an arbitrary and fictitious limit that you have imposed without sound justification, and therefore I must conclude that your results are (deliberately?) skewed. [ . . . ] DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so. Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. Yes, I read that. DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so either. I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2 in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between temperature and sunspots for the time period in question, specifically 1850-2000. And just so that it is clear this time you ignore it, again. NOT INTERESTED IN CORRELATING WITH CO2 IN THIS DISCUSSION. I lifted this URL from another thread. I think it contains what you want. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/TempCO2Sunspots.html. Thanks, I saw that thread. However, it doesn't address the timespan of 1850-2000. I doubt if sufficiently precise data exists for sunspots during the early part of this period. Proxy data might be possible. The correlation between certain populations of well studied Arctic fauna and solar cycles is one such. You will need access to a very well stocked library if you wish to go down that route. |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
On Feb 20, 4:12 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote: "John M." wrote I doubt if sufficiently precise data exists for sunspots during the early part of this period. Proxy data might be possible. The correlation between certain populations of well studied Arctic fauna and solar cycles is one such. You will need access to a very well stocked library if you wish to go down that route. Sorry, sunspot counts for that period are readily available. Then you should say where to find this, shouldn't you? |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
On Feb 20, 4:37 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote: "John M." wrote Then you should say where to find this, shouldn't you? The sun has been observed for a LLLOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time. http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html Chinese records go back a couple of thousand years, although they are visual records. Finally! Well done. I hope Peter Franks appreciates your efforts, althogh he will have to use some proxy data for the annual (before ca. 1940) CO2. |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
John M. wrote:
On Feb 19, 2:06 am, Peter Franks wrote: John M. wrote: On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote: Roger Coppock wrote: On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Peter Franks wrote: [ . . . ] Roger Coppock wrote: Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. ... As originally posted in spawning thread: Why only 50 years? I'm not considering CO2 as part of my correlation, why are you? This is an arbitrary and fictitious limit that you have imposed without sound justification, and therefore I must conclude that your results are (deliberately?) skewed. [ . . . ] DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so. Below are directly observed data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration. Yes, I read that. DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so either. I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2 in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between temperature and sunspots for the time period in question, specifically 1850-2000. And just so that it is clear this time you ignore it, again. NOT INTERESTED IN CORRELATING WITH CO2 IN THIS DISCUSSION. I lifted this URL from another thread. I think it contains what you want. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/TempCO2Sunspots.html. Thanks, I saw that thread. However, it doesn't address the timespan of 1850-2000. I doubt if sufficiently precise data exists for sunspots during the early part of this period. Proxy data might be possible. The correlation between certain populations of well studied Arctic fauna and solar cycles is one such. You will need access to a very well stocked library if you wish to go down that route. Sunspots have been carefully recorded for hundreds of years. |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
On Feb 20, 6:51 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote: Then you should say where to find this, shouldn't you? The sun has been observed for a LLLOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time. http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html Chinese records go back a couple of thousand years, although they are visual records. "John M." wrote Finally! Well done. I hope Peter Franks appreciates your efforts, althogh he will have to use some proxy data for the annual (before ca. 1940) CO2. Finally? Because between his request and you delivering the goods, you posted twice in this sub-thread. Finding the records took 2.5 seconds. So why the 24-hr delay in posting the URL? |
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
"John M." wrote I doubt if sufficiently precise data exists for sunspots during the early part of this period. Proxy data might be possible. The correlation between certain populations of well studied Arctic fauna and solar cycles is one such. You will need access to a very well stocked library if you wish to go down that route. Sorry, sunspot counts for that period are readily available. |
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