Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

On Feb 20, 7:09 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote:
"John M." wrote

So why the 24-hr delay in posting the URL?

Your request

From: "John M."
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:44:03 -0800 (PST)

My response

From: "V-for-Vendicar"
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorologySubject :
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:18 -0800

24 hours?

Ahahahahaha..

More like 2.5 seconds after it was read.

On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote:
On Feb 20, 6:51 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"

Seems I was being over generous stating 24 hrs. Ahahahahah... to you.

Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

"John M." wrote
Then you should say where to find this, shouldn't you?

The sun has been observed for a LLLOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html

Chinese records go back a couple of thousand years, although they are visual
records.

Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

Then you should say where to find this, shouldn't you?

The sun has been observed for a LLLOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/ssn.html

Chinese records go back a couple of thousand years, although they are
visual
records.


"John M." wrote
Finally! Well done. I hope Peter Franks appreciates your efforts,
althogh he will have to use some proxy data for the annual (before ca.
1940) CO2.

Finally?

Finding the records took 2.5 seconds.

Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

"John M." wrote
So why the 24-hr delay in posting the URL?

Your request

From: "John M."
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:44:03 -0800 (PST)

My response

From: "V-for-Vendicar"
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorologySubject :
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:18 -0800

24 hours?

Ahahahahaha..

More like 2.5 seconds after it was read.

Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

"John M." wrote
Seems I was being over generous stating 24 hrs. Ahahahahah... to you.

Your request

From: "John M."
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:44:03 -0800 (PST)

My response

From: "V-for-Vendicar"
Newsgroups: alt.global-warming,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorologySubject :
Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:18 -0800

24 hours?

Ahahahahaha..

More like 2.5 seconds after it was read.

Global Warming: CO2 More Likely that Sunspots
 

On Feb 20, 4:31 pm, Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:21:42 -0800, John M. wrote:
On Feb 19, 2:06 am, Peter Franks wrote:
John M. wrote:
On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Peter Franks wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Peter Franks wrote: [ . . . ]
Roger Coppock wrote:
Below are directly observed data for global mean surface
temperature, CO2 concentration, and sunspots for the last 50
years. This is as long as the longest directly observed record of
atmospheric CO2 concentration. ...
As originally posted in spawning thread: Why only 50 years? I'm
not considering CO2 as part of my correlation, why are you?
This is an arbitrary and fictitious limit that you have imposed
without sound justification, and therefore I must conclude that
your results are (deliberately?) skewed.
[ . . . ]
DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so. Below are directly observed
data for global mean surface temperature, CO2 concentration, and
sunspots for the last 50 years. This is as long as the longest
directly observed record of atmospheric CO2 concentration.
Yes, I read that.

DID YOU READ MY POST? I don't think so either.

I made no mention of CO2. I'm not interested in correlating with CO2
in this discussion, I AM interested in the correlation between
temperature and sunspots for the time period in question,
specifically 1850-2000.

And just so that it is clear this time you ignore it, again.

NOT INTERESTED IN CORRELATING WITH CO2 IN THIS DISCUSSION.

I lifted this URL from another thread. I think it contains what you
want.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/TempCO2Sunspots.html.

Thanks, I saw that thread. However, it doesn't address the timespan of
1850-2000.

I doubt if sufficiently precise data exists for sunspots during the early
part of this period. Proxy data might be possible. The correlation between
certain populations of well studied Arctic fauna and solar cycles is one
such. You will need access to a very well stocked library if you wish to
go down that route.

Morgan is wrong, as usual:

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/lin...spot_history.h...

How strange you didn't respond when Peter first asked for this data.
Of course it would be churlish of me to suggest that you only went
hunting for it when *I* said I had doubts about the existance of
precise data. So I will refrain from suggesting that.