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Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008. As there are few urban centers in the
world's seas, these data are free from urban effects.
Note that data for the last 16 years are all above the
linear trend. This is the result of accelerated warming.

Please see:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
--

The yearly means of these data are graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

Regression statistics for the line in the graph at
the URL given above a

Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|)
(Intercept) -7.658841 0.504840 -15.2 2e-16
Year 0.003878 0.000262 14.8 2e-16

Residual standard error: 0.151 on 157 degrees of freedom
R-Squared: 0.58
F-statistic: 220 on 1 and 157 DF, p-value: 2e-16
--

Yearly 30-year rolling slopes of the above data are
graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/hadS...e1850-2008.jpg

This analysis shows a 0.88K per century per century
acceleration in the sea surface temperature rise
between 1850 and 2008.

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Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008.

=============

Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located . Cite us both
locatons and numbers and the type of thermometer that was used back then and
it's accuracy and error rates.

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On Jan 12, 11:37*am, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"
Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

... Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!

Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. *Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008.


=============

Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located . Cite us both
locatons and numbers and the type of thermometer that was used back then and
it's accuracy *and error rates.


If you had followed my second URL,
you would have found this:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#sciref

It pays to read before asking questions.
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"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
...
On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"
Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

...
Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!

Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008.


=============

Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located . Cite us both
locatons and numbers and the type of thermometer that was used back then
and
it's accuracy and error rates.


If you had followed my second URL,
you would have found this:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#sciref

It pays to read before asking questions.
===================

from your cite:

The number of available stations was small during the 1850s, but increases
to over 3000 stations during the 1951-90 period.

Thus we can ignore the infinitely small data samples from the 1850's to the
1950's because the temperature data is inaccurate . Just like all those heat
islands on land that now measure temps over concrete buildings and
parklinglots, where green grass and wodlands were just 75 years ago.

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Default Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!

On Jan 12, 7:29*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!

Please see:http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. *Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008. *As there are few urban centers in the
world's seas, these data are free from urban effects.
Note that data for the last 16 years are all above the
linear trend. *This is the result of accelerated warming.

Please see:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
--

The yearly means of these data are graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg

Regression statistics for the line in the graph at
the URL given above a

Coefficients:
* * * * * * *Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|)
(Intercept) -7.658841 * 0.504840 * -15.2 * 2e-16
Year * * * * 0.003878 * 0.000262 * *14.8 * 2e-16

Residual standard error: 0.151 on 157 degrees of freedom
R-Squared: 0.58
F-statistic: *220 on 1 and 157 DF, *p-value: 2e-16
--

Yearly 30-year rolling slopes of the above data are
graphed he

http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/hadS...e1850-2008.jpg

This analysis shows a 0.88K per century per century
acceleration in the sea surface temperature rise
between 1850 and 2008.


They also show that the CO2 rises with as SST rises
with an R^2 of 0.42 .with a 12 month smoothing
I dare say I could improve matters with the usual
5 year smoothing
Try plotting Atmospheric CO2 v CO2 production
and tell us the R^2 of that if you dare.

BTW I see the Muana loa CO2 data has been
"corrected".
The Change Log says
" We corrected an error in the December 2008 MLO monthly mean value
posted to the web on 10 January 2009. The December 2008 value was
incorrectly computed using an earlier version of the codebase (see
Change Log Notes for 4 August 2008).

We have also changed the monthly web update from the 3rd of each month
to the 10th of each month to give us a few more days to properly
evaluate the measurements for the just-completed month."
Do they need more time to to make sure CO2 keeps rising?
They keep making what appear to be easily avoidable mistakes.


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On Jan 12, 5:21*pm, chemist wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:29*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:





Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. *Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008. *As there are few urban centers in the
world's seas, these data are free from urban effects.
Note that data for the last 16 years are all above the
linear trend. *This is the result of accelerated warming.


Please see:


http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/


http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/te.../hadsst2gl.txt
--


The yearly means of these data are graphed he


http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


Regression statistics for the line in the graph at
the URL given above a


Coefficients:
* * * * * * *Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(|t|)
(Intercept) -7.658841 * 0.504840 * -15.2 * 2e-16
Year * * * * 0.003878 * 0.000262 * *14.8 * 2e-16


Residual standard error: 0.151 on 157 degrees of freedom
R-Squared: 0.58
F-statistic: *220 on 1 and 157 DF, *p-value: 2e-16
--


Yearly 30-year rolling slopes of the above data are
graphed he


http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/hadS...e1850-2008.jpg


This analysis shows a 0.88K per century per century
acceleration in the sea surface temperature rise
between 1850 and 2008.


They also show that the CO2 rises with as SST rises
with an R^2 of 0.42 .with a 12 month smoothing
I dare say I could improve matters with the usual
5 year smoothing
Try plotting Atmospheric CO2 v *CO2 production
and tell us the R^2 of that if you dare.

BTW I see the Muana loa CO2 data has been
"corrected".
The Change Log says
" We corrected an error in the December 2008 MLO monthly mean value
posted to the web on 10 January 2009. The December 2008 value was
incorrectly computed using an earlier version of the codebase (see
Change Log Notes for 4 August 2008).

We have also changed the monthly web update from the 3rd of each month
to the 10th of each month to give us a few more days to properly
evaluate the measurements for the just-completed month."
Do they need more time to to make sure CO2 keeps rising?
They keep making what appear to be easily avoidable mistakes.-


And why they think their little averaged Muana Loa is an accurate
portrayal. Anartica graphs are linear and about 8 points behind.
These graphs much better show the mixing, since the fact is that the
annual increase in air concentrations is nowhere near that of actual
emissions, so one must refer to the lowest reading. Only the Anartica
data shows the actual mixing and actual increases in the atmopshere.

Where is the valid analysis of ocean temperatures?
They must revoke any study which shows cooling. According to this
study, the instuments are so biased that no valid study can be
conducted. Unless of course it shows warming and a general trend of
warming.

They had to pull out all stops to rescind this study, even sacrificing
the viability of their instruments.

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/people/lyman/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf

KD
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On Jan 12, 12:01*pm, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"
Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

...
On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"

Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message


...
Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008.


=============


Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located . Cite us both
locatons and numbers and the type of thermometer that was used back then
and
it's accuracy and error rates.


If you had followed my second URL,
you would have found this:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#sciref

It pays to read before asking questions.
===================

from your cite:

The number of available stations was small during the 1850s, but increases
to over 3000 stations during the 1951-90 period.

Thus we can ignore the infinitely small data samples from the 1850's to the


We can ignore the data? Really?

1950's because the temperature data is inaccurate . Just like


The data are inaccurate? Really?
What data disagree with it?

You've got to learn to support your statements.
This is the way Bush II ignored data on WMD in
Iraq.

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"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
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On Jan 12, 12:01 pm, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"
Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

...
On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination"

Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message


...
Latest Hadley Sea Temperature Data Show Accelerated Warming!


Please see:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/HadSST2gl.jpg


The Sea Surface Temperature data, or SST, record an
accelerated temperature increase. Here, from Hadley
Centre, are the global sea surface temperatures from
1850 to 2008.


=============


Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located . Cite us both
locatons and numbers and the type of thermometer that was used back then
and
it's accuracy and error rates.


If you had followed my second URL,
you would have found this:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#sciref

It pays to read before asking questions.
===================

from your cite:

The number of available stations was small during the 1850s, but increases
to over 3000 stations during the 1951-90 period.

Thus we can ignore the infinitely small data samples from the 1850's to
the


We can ignore the data? Really?

1950's because the temperature data is inaccurate . Just like


The data are inaccurate? Really?
What data disagree with it?
=================

Since you have no data from all those locaton in the 1800's that had no
stations, you cant compare their missing data with data from today . Just
like you cant compare data statons from the dinosauer ages BECAUSE THERE
WERE'NT ANY.

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Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located


They are called ships, and are located where they are being driven over
the ocean.

URAh MMMMMMMMOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN


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"1-20-08 The Start of an Abomination" Abomination @White HOuse.org wrote
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Wow , i didnt know that the oceans were full of temperature monitoing
stations in the 1800's. Exactly where were they located


They are called ships, and are located where they are being driven over
the ocean.

URAh MMMMMMMMOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN
================


Yeah we know ther ewere many more ships crossing the arctic and antartic
oceans in the 1800's than there are today . And of course, you can show us
the data source for all those " ships" that collected all those data samples
from the 1800's that were just happenig to sail the areas of the oceans that
no one has a need to be in the first place.



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