On Mar 12, 5:17*am, JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 10:59*am, Peter Muehlbauer



wrote:
"I M @ good guy" wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:44:31 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
wrote:

Eight Nobel-prize winning economists and scientists have joined more
than 2,000 others in signing a letter today that urges the Senate to
take swift action on climate change.

"The longer we wait, the harder and more costly it will be to limit
climate change and to adapt to those impacts that will not be
avoided," reads the letter, which is available on the Union of
Concerned Scientists' website here. "Many emissions reduction
strategies can be adopted today that would save consumers and industry
money while providing benefits for air quality, energy security,
public health, balance of trade, and employment."

The renewed effort to focus attention on the issue comes after a
difficult few months for advocates who want Congress to pass
legislation to curb greenhouse-gas emissions. *[ . . . ]

Please see:

http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../2010/03/scien...

* * * *The local eon company apparently finally realized
the policy of promoting reduced energy use was a
stupid business plan, now they want to sell out,
too many people are not able to pay utility bills.

Good point.

Those days on TV:

Resource costs for energy production is steady declining, power costs for
end-consumer is steady increasing.
There must be something going wrong.
Germans are upset about concealed cartelization of energy companies and urge
the government to act. But government tacitly acts as though nothing had
happened.
The problem is with Germans, they are so boring lethargic.
Otherwise street riots were the order of the day, just like now in Greece.

But things can always change.

The latest scandal is similar, regarding mineral oil groups.
They increased prices for gas and diesel last week of about never seen before
20 cents/liter, although crude oil prices are stable or declining since
months.

[duh]

They take the same line like the energy producers.
And again, government sleeps...

Meanwhile AGW continues.

There's no such thing as agw, lunatic

The forecasts [...]

yeah, you really are that stupid, JMoron.

On Mar 12, 12:46*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:01*am, The_Slapdown wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:57*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:26*pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. *It's climate, not weather,

Uh it's weather, not climate. Florida has had the coldest winter in on
record.

So shouldn't we be discussing weather change,...?

In which case, is change in Florida weather a suitable archetype for
the changes in weather globally?

Meeep... contradiction detected.

You wouldn't recognise a contradiction if one ran up behind you and
bit you in the arse.

And, please, what is "changes in weather globally"?
There is no global weather, you poor idiot.

You need a refresher course in English. "Global weather" is not a
synonym for "weather globally".

Ha, Ha! Woger thinks "Union of Concerned Scientists" represents real scientists.
People who believe GM crops are toxic and nuclear power is dangerous
are paranoid kooks, not scientists. Just ask Al Gore and Davy Suzuki.

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
...
Eight Nobel-prize winning economists and scientists have joined more
than 2,000 others in signing a letter today that urges the Senate to
take swift action on climate change.

"The longer we wait, the harder and more costly it will be to limit
climate change and to adapt to those impacts that will not be
avoided," reads the letter, which is available on the Union of
Concerned Scientists' website here. "Many emissions reduction
strategies can be adopted today that would save consumers and industry
money while providing benefits for air quality, energy security,
public health, balance of trade, and employment."

Roger Coppock wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:26 pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. It's climate, not weather,

If climate never manifests as weather, then there is nothing to worry about
now, is there?

JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:01 am, The_Slapdown wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:57 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:26 pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. It's climate, not weather,

Uh it's weather, not climate. Florida has had the coldest winter in
on record.

So shouldn't we be discussing weather change, not climate change?

In which case, is change in Florida weather a suitable archetype for
the changes in weather globally?

Trying to average global weather (or temperatures) is like averaging the
hair color at a party. You can come up with an answer, but it doesn't tell
you anything.

Averaging the weather in Greenland and New Zealand is pointless, but that's
exactly what the AGW whackos are worried about.

BTW, 'global climate' is a contradition in terms.

cli·mate (kl�Æmit), n.
1. the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as
temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness,
and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

REGION.... The earth is not a REGION. And climate is NOT just temperature.

JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 10:59 am, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
"I M @ good guy" wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:44:31 -0800 (PST), Roger Coppock
wrote:

Eight Nobel-prize winning economists and scientists have joined
more than 2,000 others in signing a letter today that urges the
Senate to take swift action on climate change.

"The longer we wait, the harder and more costly it will be to limit
climate change and to adapt to those impacts that will not be
avoided," reads the letter, which is available on the Union of
Concerned Scientists' website here. "Many emissions reduction
strategies can be adopted today that would save consumers and
industry money while providing benefits for air quality, energy
security, public health, balance of trade, and employment."

The renewed effort to focus attention on the issue comes after a
difficult few months for advocates who want Congress to pass
legislation to curb greenhouse-gas emissions. [ . . . ]

Please see:

http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../2010/03/scien...

The local eon company apparently finally realized
the policy of promoting reduced energy use was a
stupid business plan, now they want to sell out,
too many people are not able to pay utility bills.

Good point.

Those days on TV:

Resource costs for energy production is steady declining, power
costs for end-consumer is steady increasing.
There must be something going wrong.
Germans are upset about concealed cartelization of energy companies
and urge the government to act. But government tacitly acts as
though nothing had happened.
The problem is with Germans, they are so boring lethargic.
Otherwise street riots were the order of the day, just like now in
Greece.

But things can always change.

The latest scandal is similar, regarding mineral oil groups.
They increased prices for gas and diesel last week of about never
seen before 20 cents/liter, although crude oil prices are stable or
declining since months.

How else do you expect near-trillionaires to compete for the top spot
on Forbes' List? The only source for their mindless, numbers game is
inflation of fiat currencies - or take it from hoi polloi i.e. us.
They prefer the latter.

They take the same line like the energy producers.
And again, government sleeps...

Meanwhile AGW continues. The forecasts of increasing extreme weather
events under warming climate change are beginning to look like they
have some substance to them.

How can you tell? Other than your faith in the religion.

Show me ANY data documenting increasing 'extreme weather events'. ANY. Not
projections, but real data about things that have already happened.

We've been burning fossil fuels for 2 centuries and the apocalypse is always
just around the corner, always. Never seems to actually happen.

On Mar 11, 10:01*pm, The_Slapdown wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:57*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:26*pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. *It's climate, not weather,

Uh it's weather, not climate. Florida has had the coldest winter in on
record.

Any introductory statistics course will tell you that.
extrema are not indicators of trends.

On Mar 12, 9:31*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 12:46*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
JohnM wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:01*am, The_Slapdown wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:57*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:26*pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. *It's climate, not weather,

Uh it's weather, not climate. Florida has had the coldest winter in on
record.

So shouldn't we be discussing weather change,...?

In which case, is change in Florida weather a suitable archetype for
the changes in weather globally?

Meeep... contradiction detected.

You wouldn't recognise a contradiction if one ran up behind you and
bit you in the arse.

LOL
What a lame statement.
It's you writing "shouldn't discuss weather change" and just right after that
you come up with flaw comparison of Florida weather to a "weather globally".

Sigh. You really do need that course of English. Start with
recognition of words through their lexicography. What I wrote was
"...shouldn't we be discussing..." which has a meaning a million miles
away from "...shouldn't discuss..." It was, I hope, ignorance rather
than mendacity that led to this bowdlerisation.

Weather, weather, weather... "you shouldn't discuss weather" ... yeah!

Sorry boy, you're busted.

And, please, what is "changes in weather globally"?
There is no global weather, you poor idiot.

You need a refresher course in English. "Global weather" is not a
synonym for "weather globally".

Take a course in sharp intellect.

Don't be such a sore loser. One day you'll wake up to find people are
no longer laughing at you - just giggling.

Roger Coppock wrote:
On Mar 11, 10:01 pm, The_Slapdown wrote:
On Mar 11, 9:57 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:26 pm, chemist wrote:

The weather is proving them wrong

But, global warming is a statement about long
trends. It's climate, not weather,

Uh it's weather, not climate. Florida has had the coldest winter in
on record.

Any introductory statistics course will tell you that.
extrema are not indicators of trends.

But Coopdick ENDLESSLY berates us with this kind of crap: 'August was the
4th warmest in the all time record.' What a dumbf**k.