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Nick[_5_] May 30th 10 01:31 AM

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Energy Sources, Part A, 30:1–9, 2008

Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission

G. V. CHILINGAR,1 L. F. KHILYUK,1, and
O. G. SOROKHTIN2

1Rudolf W. Gunnerman Energy and Environment Laboratory, University of
Southern California, Los Angeles, California, USA
2Institute of Oceanology of Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow,
Russia

Abstract

The writers investigated the effect of CO2 emission on the temperature
of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of
greenhouse effect show that increasing CO2 concentration in the
atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth’s
atmosphere.

Keywords adiabatic theory, CO2 emission, global cooling, global
warming

Introduction

Traditional anthropogenic theory of currently observed global warming
states that release of carbon dioxide into atmosphere (partially as a
result of utilization of fossil fuels) leads to an increase in
atmospheric temperature because the molecules of CO2 (and other
greenhouse gases) absorb the infrared radiation from the Earth’s
surface. This statement is based on the Arrhenius hypothesis, which
was never verified (Arrhenius, 1896). The proponents of this theory
take into consideration only one component of heat transfer in
atmosphere, i.e., radiation. Yet, in the dense Earth’s troposphere
with the pressure pa 0:2 atm, the heat from the Earth’s surface is
mostly transferred by convection (Sorokhtin, 2001a). According to our
estimates, convection accounts for 67%, water vapor condensation in
troposphere accounts for 25%, and radiation accounts for about 8% of
the total heat transfer from the Earth’s surface to troposphere. Thus,
convection is the dominant process of heat transfer in troposphere,
and all the theories of Earth’s atmospheric heating (or cooling) first
of all must consider this process of heat (energy)–mass redistribution
in atmosphere (Sorokhtin, 2001a, 2001b; Khilyuk and Chilingar, 2003,
2004).

When the temperature of a given mass of air increases, it expands,
becomes lighter, and rises. In turn, the denser cooler air of upper
layers of troposphere descends and replaces the warmer air of lower
layers. This physical system (multiple cells of air convection) acts
in the Earth’s troposphere like a continuous surface cooler. The
cooling effect by air convection can surpass considerably the warming
effect of radiation.

Address correspondence to George Chilingar, Russian Academy of Natural
Sciences, USA Branch, 101 S. Windsor Blvd., Los Angeles, California
90004. E-mail:

[truncated for brevity. See original article]

Sam Wormley[_2_] May 30th 10 04:39 AM

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Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...c_evidence.htm

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf


Sam Wormley[_2_] May 30th 10 04:43 AM

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On 5/29/10 9:42 PM, Nick wrote:
In 1988 James E. Hansen testified before Al Gore in senate. He claimed
that global warming was occuring and explained it as due to the
greenhouse effect. Since 1998 the earth has cooled. Observational data
does not support Hansen. But observation is not in contradiction with
"Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission".


You are pretty out to lunch there, Nick!

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...emp-trends.gif

The global data CLEARLY shows:

Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2
http://www.globalchange.gov/HighResI...obal-pg-13.jpg
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1023163513.htm

Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...emp-trends.gif

And accompanying Sea Level Rise

http://www.wildwildweather.com/forec...level_rise.png

There are many sources of good data
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php

Here's some data from Iowa State University
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/facult...entations.html

More from University of Iowa

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/fac.../schnoor_j.php

Franzen - The Chemistry and Physics of Global Climate Change
http://hfranzen.org/
http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf



Slides from Jim Hansen's Bjerknes Lecture at San Francisco
AGU meeting Dec. 17, 2008
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/A...s_20081217.pdf

The Temperature of Science

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailin...eOfScience.pdf

Slides from Jim Hansen's Presentation at the French National
Assembly on May 12, 2010
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2010/M...alAssembly.pdf

Benj May 30th 10 05:24 AM

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On May 30, 12:39*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
* *Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...ng_earth/scien...

* *The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
* * *http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

* *Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
* * *http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf


Please note that these propaganda references Sam the Sham constantly
repeats (as if by repetition they somehow magically become true) have
long been discredited here. All they show is that certain atmospheric
gasses can produce a "greenhouse" warming effect. But there is NO as
in ZERO, NIL, NADA, NONE, scientific evidence presented in these
papers showing that CO2 is a significant "greenhouse gas". It is
not! Now, yes, some greenhouse gasses DO exist. Water vapor is one of
them, but oddly enough with oceans full of the stuff "wormley" and his
pals haven't found a way to convince the public that they need to tax
all man-made water vapor to save the planet.

Wormley is worse than a moron. He is aiding and abetting a MAJOR (as
in trillions of dollars) criminal enterprise.
That is not what science should be used for. This is how low science
has sunk in the modern world.



Benj May 30th 10 05:33 AM

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On May 30, 12:43*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 5/29/10 9:42 PM, Nick wrote:

In 1988 James E. Hansen testified before Al Gore in senate. He claimed
that global warming was occuring and explained it as due to the
greenhouse effect. Since 1998 the earth has cooled. Observational data
does not support Hansen. But observation is not in contradiction with
"Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission".


* *You are pretty out to lunch there, Nick!


{Snip huge load of "holowarming" propaganda}

Here's some real science from MIT. That ought to have big enough
reputation to carry some weight, no? Certainly better than propaganda
websites.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...tland_2010.pdf

Hey "Wormley" why aren't you talking about REAL dangers to the planet,
such as all that oil and "dispersant" attacking the planetary food
chain in the Gulf of Mexico. In case you didn't notice, YOU are at the
top of that food chain. I'll give you a "science news" reference to
prove it for you. Oh that's right, that particular disaster was CAUSED
by the same people spinning the "carbon footprint" yarn. Hey, there
are some really nifty "carbon footprints" on gulf beaches right now.

Moron.

Leonard May 30th 10 01:58 PM

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On 5/30/10 12:39 AM, in article ,
"Sam Wormley" wrote:

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...scientific_evi
dence.htm

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

Ø 3 AGW bull**** sites.


Leonard May 30th 10 02:06 PM

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On 5/30/10 12:43 AM, in article ,
"Sam Wormley" wrote:

On 5/29/10 9:42 PM, Nick wrote:
In 1988 James E. Hansen testified before Al Gore in senate. He claimed
that global warming was occuring and explained it as due to the
greenhouse effect. Since 1998 the earth has cooled. Observational data
does not support Hansen. But observation is not in contradiction with
"Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission".


You are pretty out to lunch there, Nick!


Ø No Worm‹ it is you that is out to lunch.

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...emp-trends.gif

Ø Pew-Sunoco AGW site

The global data CLEARLY shows:

Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2
http://www.globalchange.gov/HighResI...obal-pg-13.jpg
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1023163513.htm

Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...emp-trends.gif

And accompanying Sea Level Rise

http://www.wildwildweather.com/forec...008/09/700px-r
ecent_sea_level_rise.png

There are many sources of good data
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php

Here's some data from Iowa State University
http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/facult...entations.html

More from University of Iowa

http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/fac.../cee/schnoor_j
.php

Franzen - The Chemistry and Physics of Global Climate Change
http://hfranzen.org/
http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf



Slides from Jim Hansen's Bjerknes Lecture at San Francisco
AGU meeting Dec. 17, 2008
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/A...s_20081217.pdf

The Temperature of Science

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailin...eOfScience.pdf

Slides from Jim Hansen's Presentation at the French National
Assembly on May 12, 2010
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2010/M...alAssembly.pdf


Ø My oh my you have a real load of links‹ None worth a damn.

‹‹*‹‹
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
logic of what you say. You have to tell them
what is right in very simple terms. If they do
not agree, you will never be able to change
their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
against their religious belief, they will cling to
that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
million years. There is no way to convince

the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

predators to change their evil ways, They
knew what they were doing was wrong, but
knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
them more careful in how they went about
performing their evil deeds.









Leonard May 30th 10 02:17 PM

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On 5/30/10 1:33 AM, in article
, "Benj"
wrote:

On May 30, 12:43*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 5/29/10 9:42 PM, Nick wrote:

In 1988 James E. Hansen testified before Al Gore in senate. He claimed
that global warming was occuring and explained it as due to the
greenhouse effect. Since 1998 the earth has cooled. Observational data
does not support Hansen. But observation is not in contradiction with
"Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission".


Here's some real science from MIT. That ought to have big enough
reputation to carry some weight, no? Certainly better than propaganda
websites.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...tland_2010.pdf

Hey "Wormley" why aren't you talking about REAL dangers to the planet,
such as all that oil and "dispersant" attacking the planetary food
chain in the Gulf of Mexico. In case you didn't notice, YOU are at the
top of that food chain. I'll give you a "science news" reference to
prove it for you. Oh that's right, that particular disaster was CAUSED
by the same people spinning the "carbon footprint" yarn. Hey, there
are some really nifty "carbon footprints" on gulf beaches right now.


Ø Idiots like Sam the Worm can't see past the AGW
propaganda websites.

‹‹*‹‹
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
logic of what you say. You have to tell them
what is right in very simple terms. If they do
not agree, you will never be able to change
their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
against their religious belief, they will cling to
that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
million years. There is no way to convince

the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

the terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

predators to change their evil ways, They
knew what they were doing was wrong, but
knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
them more careful in how they went about
performing their evil deeds.


Androcles[_13_] May 30th 10 03:45 PM

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"Leonard" wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| On 5/30/10 1:33 AM, in article
| , "Benj"
| wrote:
|
| On May 30, 12:43 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
| On 5/29/10 9:42 PM, Nick wrote:
|
| In 1988 James E. Hansen testified before Al Gore in senate. He claimed
| that global warming was occuring and explained it as due to the
| greenhouse effect. Since 1998 the earth has cooled. Observational data
| does not support Hansen. But observation is not in contradiction with
| "Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission".
|
| Here's some real science from MIT. That ought to have big enough
| reputation to carry some weight, no? Certainly better than propaganda
| websites.
|
|
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...tland_2010.pdf
|
| Hey "Wormley" why aren't you talking about REAL dangers to the planet,
| such as all that oil and "dispersant" attacking the planetary food
| chain in the Gulf of Mexico. In case you didn't notice, YOU are at the
| top of that food chain. I'll give you a "science news" reference to
| prove it for you. Oh that's right, that particular disaster was CAUSED
| by the same people spinning the "carbon footprint" yarn. Hey, there
| are some really nifty "carbon footprints" on gulf beaches right now.
|
| Ø Idiots like Sam the Worm can't see past the AGW
| propaganda websites.
|
|
| There are three types of people that you
| can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
| stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.
|
| 1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
| logic of what you say. You have to tell them
| what is right in very simple terms. If they do
| not agree, you will never be able to change
| their mind.

'Faced with changing one's mind, or proving that there is no need to do so,
most people get busy on the proof.'- John Kenneth Galbraith
|
| 2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
| against their religious belief, they will cling to
| that belief even if it means their death.

'Some men, reasoning preposterously, first establish some conclusion in
their minds which, either because of its being their own or because of their
having received it from some person who has their entire confidence,
impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it out of
their heads.'- Galileo Galilei
|
| 3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a million years. There is no way
to convince the anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists, the terrorists,
serial killers, paedophiles, and predators to change their evil ways, They
knew what they were doing was wrong, but knowledge didn't stop them. It only
made them more careful in how they went about performing their evil deeds.
'There is nothing so easy but that it becomes difficult when you do it with
reluctance.'- Marcus Tullius Cicero



Sam Wormley[_2_] May 30th 10 04:29 PM

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On 5/30/10 8:58 AM, Leonard wrote:



On 5/30/10 12:39 AM, in article ,
"Sam wrote:

Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures& Greenhouse Gases

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...scientific_evi
dence.htm

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...802.4324v1.pdf

Ø 3 AGW bull**** sites.


Still in denial, I see. Eh Leonard!


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