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Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...cean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 11, 7:39*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Why would one need a 500 million billion dollar satellite, to know the temperature of the Earth, at or near the surface of the Earth? Wouldn't a 99 cent thermometer do the trick? More billion dollar lies............................that's why Chow |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005
@m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...hly_MSU_AMSU_C hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria, it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L) |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 1:39*am, Roger Coppock wrote:
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Warming stopped. Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. How is that continued? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
In article f260d98c-6a18-4ef7-93f5-79ff0dd54535@
27g2000yqv.googlegroups.com, matt_sykes wrote... On Apr 12, 1:39*am, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...S_Monthly_MSU_ AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Warming stopped. Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear from the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. How is that continued? http://i55.tinypic.com/ffbgvb.png -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L) |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 8:18*am, Falcon wrote:
In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005 @m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...tglhmam_5.4The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...hly_MSU_AMSU_C hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria, it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So spinner says it doesn't...............but the trend shows it clearly does. I think spinner has just defined climate denial. I also love the way that, just *one day* later, spinner uses exactly the same phrase that was used by someone he both detests and is trying to hide from, to decry climate science. The phrase, to my knowledge has not been used for 12 months on here. Killfile; *my arse*. laughing out loud as he heads out into the sunshine |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 4:17*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Apr 12, 8:18*am, Falcon wrote: In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005 @m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...m_5.4Theglobal data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...hly_MSU_AMSU_C hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria, it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So spinner says it doesn't...............but the trend shows it clearly does. I think spinner has just defined climate denial. I also love the way that, just *one day* later, spinner uses exactly the same phrase that was used by someone he both detests and is trying to hide from, to decry climate science. The phrase, to my knowledge has not been used for 12 months on here. Killfile; *my arse*. laughing out loud as he heads out into the sunshine- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Dawlish, how is your acne situation.? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 11:21*am, GABRIELLE-GIFFORDS-FOR-PRESIDENT
wrote: On Apr 12, 4:17*am, Dawlish wrote: On Apr 12, 8:18*am, Falcon wrote: In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005 @m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...4Theglobaldata are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...hly_MSU_AMSU_C hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria, it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So spinner says it doesn't...............but the trend shows it clearly does. I think spinner has just defined climate denial. I also love the way that, just *one day* later, spinner uses exactly the same phrase that was used by someone he both detests and is trying to hide from, to decry climate science. The phrase, to my knowledge has not been used for 12 months on here. Killfile; *my arse*. laughing out loud as he heads out into the sunshine- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Dawlish, how is your acne situation.?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - O love stalkers. Especially the really foul name-changing racist ones. When a stalker starts; you know you've got to him properly. This one is a racist and a creationist and thinks he can comment on science. he's never criticised by his own - the climate deniers - which says an awful lot about them, en mass. Just call him what he is and apart from doinmg that; ignore every single post he ever makes................. |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote:
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...cean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/12/2011 09:45 AM, matt_sykes wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:39 am, Roger wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Warming stopped. Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. How is that continued? If you pick and choose the numbers, you can get anything you like. Obviously you prefer your version. |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
In article , Tom P wrote...
On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...nthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this example http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Anyway, the title 'Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming' infers that warming is continuing to occur, regardless of latitude. The fact that RSS satellite measurements have detected a small but appreciable amount of cooling over the last decade (there's that pesky linear trend thing again) would indicate that the word 'continued warming' in the subject line is deliberated misleading. Of course, as a confirmed 'sceptic', Dawlish has probably already jumped in here to describe Roger's description as 'spinning' the latest RSS figures. Or maybe he hasn't ... -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L) |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 3:47*pm, Falcon wrote:
In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...tglhmam_5.4The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...nthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this example http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Anyway, the title 'Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming' infers that warming is continuing to occur, regardless of latitude. The fact that RSS satellite measurements have detected a small but appreciable amount of cooling over the last decade (there's that pesky linear trend thing again) would indicate that the word 'continued warming' in the subject line is deliberated misleading. Of course, as a confirmed 'sceptic', Dawlish has probably already jumped in here to describe Roger's description as 'spinning' the latest RSS figures.. Or maybe he hasn't ... -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again. He talks through a third party post. Have you figured yet, spinner, that all killfiling does is allows someone to kick your arse that sticks up a mile from your head, that's buried in that denier's crack? Even, this time, to the extent of accusing someone else of "spinning" when that's all he ever does in this neswgroup and is how he earned his nickname. Confirmed idiots just never learn. laughing When someone replies to this, you'll see spinner. Hope the boot doesn't hurt too much, but it's all you deserve. *)) |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 3:41*pm, Tom P wrote:
On 04/12/2011 09:45 AM, matt_sykes wrote: On Apr 12, 1:39 am, Roger *wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Satell...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. *Warming stopped. *Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. *How is that continued? If you pick and choose the numbers, you can get anything you like. Obviously you prefer your version.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont prefer anything (actually, a bit warmer might be quite pleasant) . I just want the truth. |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 5:13*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:47*pm, Falcon wrote: In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...m_5.4Theglobal data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...nthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this example http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Anyway, the title 'Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming' infers that warming is continuing to occur, regardless of latitude. The fact that RSS satellite measurements have detected a small but appreciable amount of cooling over the last decade (there's that pesky linear trend thing again) would indicate that the word 'continued warming' in the subject line is deliberated misleading. Of course, as a confirmed 'sceptic', Dawlish has probably already jumped in here to describe Roger's description as 'spinning' the latest RSS figures. Or maybe he hasn't ... -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again. He talks through a third party post. Have you figured yet, spinner, that all killfiling does is allows someone to kick your arse that sticks up a mile from your head, that's buried in that denier's crack? Even, this time, to the extent of accusing someone else of "spinning" when that's all he ever does in this neswgroup and is how he earned his nickname. Confirmed idiots just never learn. laughing When someone replies to this, you'll see spinner. Hope the boot doesn't hurt too much, but it's all you deserve. *))- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You forgotten the Iodine supliments again janner? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 7:47*am, Falcon wrote:
In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...tglhmam_5.4The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...nthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this example http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. Any and all linear tend lines are useless without at the very least some information on the reliability of the slope calculated. No confidence interval = no value. Also the residuals need to be calculated to ensure that original data are homoscedastic, or again the result is questionable. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. By taking a shorter time line, significance of any trend will be lowered. It seems certain that the weak down-turn your graph shows results from random fluctuations rather than any real change in the rate of warming. snip |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote:
In , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...nthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Anyway, the title 'Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming' infers that warming is continuing to occur, regardless of latitude. The fact that RSS satellite measurements have detected a small but appreciable amount of cooling over the last decade (there's that pesky linear trend thing again) would indicate that the word 'continued warming' in the subject line is deliberated misleading. Of course, as a confirmed 'sceptic', Dawlish has probably already jumped in here to describe Roger's description as 'spinning' the latest RSS figures. Or maybe he hasn't ... |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/12/2011 05:44 PM, matt_sykes wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:41 pm, Tom wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:45 AM, matt_sykes wrote: On Apr 12, 1:39 am, Roger wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Satell...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Warming stopped. Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. How is that continued? If you pick and choose the numbers, you can get anything you like. Obviously you prefer your version.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont prefer anything (actually, a bit warmer might be quite pleasant) . I just want the truth. Today it's colder here than it was yesterday. Does that prove anything? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
In article , Tom P wrote...
On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L) |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 12, 9:42*am, Falcon wrote:
In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png *you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show.. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". As I point out in a post above, your data set shows nothing. The scatter of points is too great to allow inference concerning any or no time trend. Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? I agree that all that is certain from the satellite record is that there has been warming over the last 20 years. Period. |
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On Apr 12, 6:38*am, Tom P wrote:
On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/GISS...n_Latitude.jpg |
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On Apr 12, 7:47*am, Falcon wrote:
It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this example http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. You're cherrypicking, again R^2=0.0075 means nothing. |
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On Apr 12, 6:21*am, GABRIELLE-GIFFORDS-FOR-PRESIDENT
wrote: On Apr 12, 4:17*am, Dawlish wrote: On Apr 12, 8:18*am, Falcon wrote: In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005 @m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m...4Theglobaldata are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...hly_MSU_AMSU_C hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria, it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So spinner says it doesn't...............but the trend shows it clearly does. I think spinner has just defined climate denial. I also love the way that, just *one day* later, spinner uses exactly the same phrase that was used by someone he both detests and is trying to hide from, to decry climate science. The phrase, to my knowledge has not been used for 12 months on here. Killfile; *my arse*. laughing out loud as he heads out into the sunshine- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Dawlish, how is your acne situation.? I wonder how his teeth are? One thing I notice about the British.... many of them do not seem to know what a toothbrush is, and avoid dentists like the plague. I have British and Scottish ancestry myself....I assume my ancestor's teeth were pretty bad....what teeth they had. |
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On Apr 12, 5:42*pm, Falcon wrote:
In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png *you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show.. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mainly because spinner is forgetting context, yet again. Factor in ENSO. Spinner doesn't and tries to spin the data to show no warming. Any scientist looks at the trend, recognises there is noise around that warming trend; recognises that the trend will *never* and can *never* be linear and sees warming over time. A climate denier cherry-picks two points from all the years within the scatter and says there has been no warming. |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote:
On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 01:39 AM, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/ RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU _Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Well, right now is where we are, and seems to be a reasonable end point, so at what point on the graph would you suggest starting? What percentage of starting points give you a warming trend versus a cooling trend? Anyway, the title 'Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming' infers that warming is continuing to occur, regardless of latitude. The fact that RSS satellite measurements have detected a small but appreciable amount of cooling over the last decade (there's that pesky linear trend thing again) would indicate that the word 'continued warming' in the subject line is deliberated misleading. Of course, as a confirmed 'sceptic', Dawlish has probably already jumped in here to describe Roger's description as 'spinning' the latest RSS figures. Or maybe he hasn't ... |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:42:21 +0100, Falcon wrote:
In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? How about, "Roger tries desperately to show continued warming, but fools no one." |
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On Apr 12, 7:17*pm, Bill Ward wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:42:21 +0100, Falcon wrote: In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png *you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811.. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? How about, "Roger tries desperately to show continued warming, but fools no one."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about; "bilbo (and every other climate denier) goes against the view of almost every scientist on earth, every scientific institution and every government who attended Cancun". who *all* recognise a warming trend in the surface and sateliitie data?Why do they all see it and you completely fail to see it, bilbo? |
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On Apr 11, 6:53*pm, GABRIELLE-GIFFORDS-FOR-PRESIDENT
wrote: On Apr 11, 7:39*pm, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Why would one need a 500 million billion dollar satellite, to know the temperature of the Earth, at or near the surface of the Earth? Wouldn't a 99 cent thermometer do the trick? More billion dollar lies............................that's why Chow YOU ARE A FUKKIN IDIOT |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
In article , Bill Ward
wrote... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote: [..] Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Well, right now is where we are, and seems to be a reasonable end point, so at what point on the graph would you suggest starting? What percentage of starting points give you a warming trend versus a cooling trend? Easy. Start in 1979 and end in 2002. http://i51.tinypic.com/rcu6g0.gif H/T climate4you.com -- Falcon: fide, sed cui vide. (L) |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:53:49 -0700 (PDT),
GABRIELLE-GIFFORDS-FOR-PRESIDENT wrote: On Apr 11, 7:39*pm, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...cean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Why would one need a 500 million billion dollar satellite, to know the temperature of the Earth, at or near the surface of the Earth? Wouldn't a 99 cent thermometer do the trick? All of the missing ice certainly tells us Earth has been warming at an astonishing rate; but the satellites give us very good actual numbers. Note also that the satellites doing the temperature measurements also do many other things. -- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:18:02 +0100, Falcon
wrote: In article eafbc20f-f0d3-4f01-8b30-8cb604fb7005 @m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, Roger Coppock wrote... The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...cean_v03_3.txt hannel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txt The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Absolutely hilarious. Huh? If ever a headline was designed to fuel public scepticism about climate hysteria Huh? What "hysteria?" What the ****? it's that one. "MSU Data show continued warming", my arse. You mean Earth hasn't really been warming? Dude, you have become quite the comical figure here. -- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:45:48 -0700 (PDT), matt_sykes
wrote: On Apr 12, 1:39*am, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed he http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Why does =ALL= of the evidence say otherwise? Warming stopped. Why does =ALL= of the evidence say otherwise? Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Nutter. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. How is that continued? Nutter. -- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
"Dawlish" wrote in message
On Apr 12, 7:17 pm, Bill Ward wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:42:21 +0100, Falcon wrote: In article , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? How about, "Roger tries desperately to show continued warming, but fools no one."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How about; "bilbo (and every other climate denier) goes against the view of almost every scientist on earth, every scientific institution and every government who attended Cancun". who *all* recognise a warming trend in the surface and sateliitie data?Why do they all see it and you completely fail to see it, bilbo? They don't drink enough milk. |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:06:43 +0100, Falcon wrote:
In article , Bill Ward wrote... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote: [..] Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Well, right now is where we are, and seems to be a reasonable end point, so at what point on the graph would you suggest starting? What percentage of starting points give you a warming trend versus a cooling trend? Easy. Start in 1979 and end in 2002. http://i51.tinypic.com/rcu6g0.gif I get a "server not found" error from that URL. H/T climate4you.com I meant: http://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png which was the graph cited. I also said "starting points", using the present day (most recent data) as the ending point. |
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The tide-gauge in Amsterdam, installed
in 1682, is the oldest in the world. Superimposing this subsidence record on the uplift record from the Stockholm tidegauge, I was able to isolate a eustatic factor for the time period 1680 to about 1970 (Mörner 1973). This shows a rise from 1830-1840 up to 1930-1940 of 11 cm. In that 100-year period, the Earth’s rate of rotation decelerated at a value which corresponds to a 10-cm sea level rise (see, for example, Mörner 1996). Consequently, there is a very good fit between sea level rise and rotational deceleration, which seems to provide a measure of a global sea level factor (the blue line with respect to the red line in Figure 3). http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/ |
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On Apr 12, 6:25*pm, Tom P wrote:
On 04/12/2011 05:44 PM, matt_sykes wrote: On Apr 12, 3:41 pm, Tom *wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:45 AM, matt_sykes wrote: On Apr 12, 1:39 am, Roger * *wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Satell...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah..edu/public/.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www..remss.com/data/msu/month...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. *Warming stopped. *Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. *How is that continued? If you pick and choose the numbers, you can get anything you like. Obviously you prefer your version.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dont prefer anything (actually, a bit warmer might be quite pleasant) . *I just want the truth. Today it's colder here than it was yesterday. Does that prove anything?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I just want the truth. |
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On Apr 13, 12:49*am, Desertphile
wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:45:48 -0700 (PDT), matt_sykes wrote: On Apr 12, 1:39*am, Roger Coppock wrote: The satellite record, in all its current interpretations, shows that the air near the surface is warming. For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli...e_measurements The URL below is one of the more conservative records from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/m.../tltglhmam_5.4 The global data are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg The Remote Sensing Systems Lower Troposphere (TLT) analysis also shows a temperature rise above the surface of the land and sea.http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...onthly_MSU_AMS... The data from 82.5N to 70S are graphed hehttp://members.cox.net/rcoppock/RSS-MSU.jpg Roger, its not 'continued warming'. Why does =ALL= of the evidence say otherwise? Warming stopped. Why does =ALL= of the evidence say otherwise? Sticking a red line on a scatter plot does not mean its still warming. Nutter. Its clear fro the graph that its currently as warm as 1980. *How is that continued? Nutter. --http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz It is NOT warming! It DID warm, then it stayed AS warm for 13 years. There is no RATE OF CHANGE currently, thus it is not WARMING. You really need to work on your definitions of terms. Constant velocity is NOT aceleration. Constant temperature is NOT warming! |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/12/2011 06:42 PM, Falcon wrote:
In , Tom P wrote... On 04/12/2011 04:47 PM, Falcon wrote: In , Tom P wrote... [..] The trend is very much dependent on the latitude. If you look at the figures for the various latitude bands, the positive trend is most dramatic for 60/82, and nearly as strong for -20/20, whereas the trend for -70/70 is almost zero - which seems to indicate that temperate latitudes are not warming?? It's also time-dependent. Roger's not the only one who can draw pretty graphs, but in this examplehttp://i55.tinypic.com/iwrg35.png you can see how useful a linear trend line is, depending on what you want to show. The data is from Roger's thoughtfully provided source. I added another trend line that's probably a little more representative of what's been happening lately. Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. 95% of the data? That's a bit of an exaggeration, Tom, unless someone hired a TARDIS and took the satellites all the way back in time to 1811. The table http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthl...cean_v03_3.txt contains 9 columnss of data from the year 1979. That's nearly 3,500 data points. You present one graph starting from 2001 with 132 data points. So 95% loss is an underestimate. Anyway, that sort of illustrates my point. The full 30 years record DOES show warming of course - no-one suggests it hasn't - but the LATEST data does not. I took the last ten years worth of data and it shows that the LATEST satellite data does NOT show "continued warming". Therefore Roger's subject line is deliberately misleading. Now why is that so hard to understand? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On 04/13/2011 12:06 AM, Falcon wrote:
In , Bill Ward wrote... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote: [..] Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Well, right now is where we are, and seems to be a reasonable end point, so at what point on the graph would you suggest starting? What percentage of starting points give you a warming trend versus a cooling trend? Easy. Start in 1979 and end in 2002. http://i51.tinypic.com/rcu6g0.gif H/T climate4you.com But your break point at year 2003 for the trend lines is totally arbitrary. If you choose year 2000 as the break point, your "no increase" disappears. In other words, you are just seeing what you want to see, and showing what you want to show. Do you call that scientific? Unbiased? |
Latest Satellite MSU Data Show Continued Warming
On Apr 13, 11:22*am, Tom P wrote:
On 04/13/2011 12:06 AM, Falcon wrote: In , Bill Ward wrote... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:24:13 +0200, Tom P wrote: [..] Sure - if you think that leaving out 95% of the RSS data is "representative". Using a 10-year data span, all you have to do is pick the right El Nino peaks and troughs for your start and end-points, and you can get any result you care for. Well, right now is where we are, and seems to be a reasonable end point, so at what point on the graph would you suggest starting? *What percentage of starting points give you a warming trend versus a cooling trend? Easy. Start in 1979 and end in 2002. http://i51.tinypic.com/rcu6g0.gif H/T climate4you.com But your break point at year 2003 for the trend lines is totally arbitrary. If you choose year 2000 as the break point, your "no increase" disappears. In other words, you are just seeing what you want to see, and showing what you want to show. *Do you call that scientific? Unbiased?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spinner ignores context and cherry-picks data points. It's so easy to do - but the only person convinced by such tactics can only be himself. |
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