I've been throwing out some old documents on weather which have gathered
too much dust for my liking, and came across some notes I had made about
the Bartlett Brothers.

They were interested in weather forecasting and started up in 1934, so
the notes say. At the time there was a need for some simple kind of
weather forecasting, so they called themselves Professional Weather
Consultants and Long-range Weather Specialists in 1935.

After the war, they opened a Weather Exhibition for the general public
between 1946 and 1947.

The method they appeared to use was to consult thousands of charts to
see what type of weather usually occurred during the period of a week.
(I would call that finding the 'average weather' for the period).
Then there were the 'unusual weeks' in which the pendulum of weather
swung away from the average weather. I'm not clear how they decided
whether the forecast-week was to have 'average' or 'unusual' weather.
And if I remember rightly, they didn't explain how they made this
decision.

We shouldn't forget that this was a time of simple metorology. The
brothers, D. and K. Bartlett, were probably among the first weather
consultants in Britain, and because of this, enjoyed a good amount of
patronage from the press, leaders of industry, members of the
services and politicians.

Bartlett? Bartlett?. doesn't that name ring a bell somewhere?

Cheers, Keith

"Keith Darlington" wrote in message
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Didn't he have a high pressure cell named after him?

Col
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No your confusing him with Leonard Lympho he has a nice web cyte as well.

In message 1104951514.2db8a6fbffc0d940321095a1a538734f@1usen et,
Lawrence Jenkins writes

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Didn't he have a high pressure cell named after him?

Col
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No your confusing him with Leonard Lympho he has a nice web cyte as well.
That damn high pressure which looks like dominating this winter sadly
bears my name. I would rather be associated with something better. As
for my namesakes they have no connections with me unfortunately, but I
find their contributions and approach most interesting. Look I don't
mean to be nasty but two weather companies have really blown it this
winter - I can see the point in getting publicity in the autumn for
severe winter forecasts, but they have really made a terrible mess of it
this time. And it was all so predictable; the forecast and the
weather. Why? Oh why! If they followed in the Office's measured tread
they would do so much better and appear more professional.

Col he still does!

Cheers
Paul
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'Wisest are they that know they do not know.' Socrates.
Paul Bartlett FRMetS

"Paul Bartlett" wrote in message weather. Why?
Oh why! If they followed in the Office's measured tread
they would do so much better and appear more professional.
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Yes and totally oblivious.

In article ,
Paul Bartlett writes:
Look I don't mean to be nasty but two weather companies have really
blown it this winter - I can see the point in getting publicity in the
autumn for severe winter forecasts, but they have really made a
terrible mess of it this time. And it was all so predictable; the
forecast and the weather. Why? Oh why! If they followed in the
Office's measured tread they would do so much better and appear more
professional.

One of the things that may have influenced their forecasts is the
forecast from a respected academic source (Benfield Hazard Research
Centre, Dept. of Space and Climate Physics, University College London)
of an unusually negative NAO for this winter:

http://forecast.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/docs/...=5Forecast.pdf

Obviously that no longer looks like being at all accurate.
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

The first book about the weather that I had was by the Bartlett brothers -
this must have been about 1948. I think it was called " Signpost to the
Weather" . Sadly, I think I binned it many years ago. The most interesting
feature of it was a broad brush forecast for each month , broken down into
4 week periods( which Keith mentioned)- most of which I have forgotten. The
only bits I remember were that cold spells were forecast for the middle of
both January and February with unsettled weather for the first and fourth
weeks. I think the cold winters of the early 1940s probably influenced them.
I enjoyed reading Keith's item about them, most of which I didn't know.
They also wrote for the' London Evening Standard'
Peter Clarke
Ewell
"Keith Darlington" wrote in message
...
I've been throwing out some old documents on weather which have gathered
too much dust for my liking, and came across some notes I had made about
the Bartlett Brothers.

They were interested in weather forecasting and started up in 1934, so
the notes say. At the time there was a need for some simple kind of
weather forecasting, so they called themselves Professional Weather
Consultants and Long-range Weather Specialists in 1935.

After the war, they opened a Weather Exhibition for the general public
between 1946 and 1947.

The method they appeared to use was to consult thousands of charts to
see what type of weather usually occurred during the period of a week.
(I would call that finding the 'average weather' for the period).
Then there were the 'unusual weeks' in which the pendulum of weather
swung away from the average weather. I'm not clear how they decided
whether the forecast-week was to have 'average' or 'unusual' weather.
And if I remember rightly, they didn't explain how they made this
decision.

We shouldn't forget that this was a time of simple metorology. The
brothers, D. and K. Bartlett, were probably among the first weather
consultants in Britain, and because of this, enjoyed a good amount of
patronage from the press, leaders of industry, members of the
services and politicians.

Bartlett? Bartlett?. doesn't that name ring a bell somewhere?

Cheers, Keith

In article ,
Peter Clarke writes:
he first book about the weather that I had was by the Bartlett brothers -
this must have been about 1948. I think it was called " Signpost to the
Weather" . Sadly, I think I binned it many years ago. The most interesting
feature of it was a broad brush forecast for each month , broken down into
4 week periods( which Keith mentioned)- most of which I have forgotten. The
only bits I remember were that cold spells were forecast for the middle of
both January and February with unsettled weather for the first and fourth
weeks. I think the cold winters of the early 1940s probably influenced them.
I enjoyed reading Keith's item about them, most of which I didn't know.
They also wrote for the' London Evening Standard'

It sounds like they might have been influenced by the work on
singularities, adapted for the UK from the German original by CEP
Brooks. I seem to recall the singularities for January and February
indicating the likelihood of spells as described above.
--
John Hall
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

Thanks for the added information, Peter. It's nice to know you and I were
young enough to remember.
Cheers, Keith

Peter Clarke schrieb:

The first book about the weather that I had was by the Bartlett brothers -
this must have been about 1948. I think it was called " Signpost to the
Weather" . Sadly, I think I binned it many years ago. The most interesting
feature of it was a broad brush forecast for each month , broken down into
4 week periods( which Keith mentioned)- most of which I have forgotten. The
only bits I remember were that cold spells were forecast for the middle of
both January and February with unsettled weather for the first and fourth
weeks. I think the cold winters of the early 1940s probably influenced them.
I enjoyed reading Keith's item about them, most of which I didn't know.
They also wrote for the' London Evening Standard'
Peter Clarke
Ewell
"Keith Darlington" wrote in message
...
I've been throwing out some old documents on weather which have gathered
too much dust for my liking, and came across some notes I had made about
the Bartlett Brothers.

They were interested in weather forecasting and started up in 1934, so
the notes say. At the time there was a need for some simple kind of
weather forecasting, so they called themselves Professional Weather
Consultants and Long-range Weather Specialists in 1935.

After the war, they opened a Weather Exhibition for the general public
between 1946 and 1947.

The method they appeared to use was to consult thousands of charts to
see what type of weather usually occurred during the period of a week.
(I would call that finding the 'average weather' for the period).
Then there were the 'unusual weeks' in which the pendulum of weather
swung away from the average weather. I'm not clear how they decided
whether the forecast-week was to have 'average' or 'unusual' weather.
And if I remember rightly, they didn't explain how they made this
decision.

We shouldn't forget that this was a time of simple metorology. The
brothers, D. and K. Bartlett, were probably among the first weather
consultants in Britain, and because of this, enjoyed a good amount of
patronage from the press, leaders of industry, members of the
services and politicians.

Bartlett? Bartlett?. doesn't that name ring a bell somewhere?

Cheers, Keith

"John Hall" wrote in message
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In article ,
Peter Clarke writes:
he first book about the weather that I had was by the Bartlett brothers -
this must have been about 1948. I think it was called " Signpost to the
Weather" . Sadly, I think I binned it many years ago. The most interesting
feature of it was a broad brush forecast for each month , broken down into
4 week periods( which Keith mentioned)- most of which I have forgotten. The
only bits I remember were that cold spells were forecast for the middle of
both January and February with unsettled weather for the first and fourth
weeks. I think the cold winters of the early 1940s probably influenced them.
I enjoyed reading Keith's item about them, most of which I didn't know.
They also wrote for the' London Evening Standard'

It sounds like they might have been influenced by the work on
singularities, adapted for the UK from the German original by CEP
Brooks. I seem to recall the singularities for January and February
indicating the likelihood of spells as described above.
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The trouble is is that the climate has changed and any old relationships and
singularities are unlikely to be valid anymore, some may still work but basing
forecasts on old relationships when the climate has changed won't be reliable.
Sorry, but people must really accept that things are different now. I know you
have Paul !

Will.
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