This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?

The term Global dimming refers to the thousands that watch it and believe it
!
Actually its the most dramatic scenario since records began back in
prehistory,
yes 1965,just after the big bang ( if you got lucky)

RonB


"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous
Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?

Who knows?

The problem with science is there are arguments and counter arguments.
We are warming up, something ten years ago I would have dismissed, the
consequences of such changes is the problem. As far as the programme
was concerned I was sceptical as to it being the cause of the
sub-sahara drought, to many other factors comeinto play that
interrelate and I still don't think we know all the equasions yet.

Keith (Southend)

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Weather Home & Abroad
http://www.southendweather.net

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:08:23 +0000 (UTC), "lawrence Jenkins"
wrote:

This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
Who knows?

The problem with science is there are arguments and counter arguments.
We are warming up, something ten years ago I would have dismissed, the
consequences of such changes is the problem. As far as the programme
was concerned I was sceptical as to it being the cause of the
sub-sahara drought, to many other factors comeinto play that
interrelate and I still don't think we know all the equasions yet.

I would have been far more convinced of the theory that this was the
cause of the 70's/80's droughts in the Sahel had they provided evidence
of lower SST's in the areas of ocean that had supposedly had prevented
the African monsoon from moving northwards.

Col
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Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.
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http://www.reddwarfer.btinternet.co....rPictures.html

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous
Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?


The politico/media establishment seem to think they require an ongoing
threat of Armageddon to maintain their primacy of influence over the
population at large. The Horizon programme was the usual mish-mash of half
baked pseudo-science picking up a few disjointed pieces of scientific data
and cobbling them together in a spectacular extravaganza of extrapolation.

Always beware of television programmes which describe contibutors with terms
such as "..a trained biologist.."
Trained to do what?

These programmes would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they
encourage the more gullible of those in power to squander the nation's
wealth by diverting so much of our techonological progress into so-called
"precautionary measures" against these nebulous threats.

I predict that, by 2105, mean annual solar radiation will have decreased by
0.07248% over today's level and mean global surface temperatures increaed by
1.046578 degrees C. These are the first two numbers that came into my head
but that is probably as good a prediction as any of the present models.

Sorry for the rant, but the debasement of science in the cause of scare
mongering has been been threatening to lift my safety valves for some time.

Regards,
Alan
Lisburn, Co. Antrim.

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
Who knows?

The problem with science is there are arguments and counter arguments.
We are warming up, something ten years ago I would have dismissed, the
consequences of such changes is the problem. As far as the programme
was concerned I was sceptical as to it being the cause of the
sub-sahara drought, to many other factors comeinto play that
interrelate and I still don't think we know all the equasions yet.

I would have been far more convinced of the theory that this was the
cause of the 70's/80's droughts in the Sahel had they provided evidence
of lower SST's in the areas of ocean that had supposedly had prevented
the African monsoon from moving northwards.

Well there is always this :-)

Oceans linked to Sahel drought
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3191174.stm

But the again maybe not :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?

Funnily enough I raised that issue on another newsgroup only yesterday. Here
it is with a reply from a climate modeller.

Cheers, Alastair.

wrote in message ...
Alastair McDonald k wrote:

Then it is about time that was made known to the general public. They
find it very hard to believe GW is a danger when the scientists are saying
that it will get colder.

I agree with your general tenor here (though not with the assertion that
sci are saying it *will* get colder; but what gets out into the media may
be less nuanced).

-W.

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Are you a qualified scientist?
Dave
Sorry for the rant, but the debasement of science in the cause of scare
mongering has been been threatening to lift my safety valves for some time.
Regards,
Alan
Lisburn, Co. Antrim.

Lawrence.
I watched last nights Horizon and feel that a lot of questions on my part
were answered.
The scenario of another ice age in the northern hemisphere is still alive
and well, still as a result of global warming with the Gulf stream possibly
either moving further south or slowing down so as to affect its heat
transferring benefits.
The only question I still have is, where do we go from here?
We either pollute the hell out of our world to slow down the rate of global
warming and suffer the consequences, or clean up our act and then possibly
watch global warming spiral out of control.

Regards. Len.

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous
Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?

In message , Thor Boltmann
writes

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
This latest Global Dimming 'end of the world scenario' Horizon programme
has me confused. How is this all going to fit in with the previous
Horizon
dire prediction a new Ice Age? This documentory was broadcast November
2003 ; has that scenario now changed?


The politico/media establishment seem to think they require an ongoing
threat of Armageddon to maintain their primacy of influence over the
population at large. The Horizon programme was the usual mish-mash of half
baked pseudo-science picking up a few disjointed pieces of scientific data
and cobbling them together in a spectacular extravaganza of extrapolation.

Always beware of television programmes which describe contibutors with terms
such as "..a trained biologist.."
Trained to do what?

These programmes would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that they
encourage the more gullible of those in power to squander the nation's
wealth by diverting so much of our techonological progress into so-called
"precautionary measures" against these nebulous threats.

I predict that, by 2105, mean annual solar radiation will have decreased by
0.07248% over today's level and mean global surface temperatures increaed by
1.046578 degrees C. These are the first two numbers that came into my head
but that is probably as good a prediction as any of the present models.

Sorry for the rant, but the debasement of science in the cause of scare
mongering has been been threatening to lift my safety valves for some time.

Regards,
Alan
Lisburn, Co. Antrim.
Nothing wrong with a good rant! Especially as I totally agree with you.
Cheers
Paul
--
'Wisest are they that know they do not know.' Socrates.
Paul Bartlett FRMetS