Well I've banged on about this for some time, but here's more proof. The
UKMO in an unprecedented move mage a bold prediction

" Met Office predict a two-in-three chance of a colder-than-average winter
across much of Europe for the period December 2005 to February 2006."
http://www.meto.gov.uk/research/seas.../headline.html

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which was
released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less truthful
version of the forecast?

Anyhow UKMO have been got at by the government which is increasingly
characterised as a bunch of liars who are using them as a propaganda tool.
Hence the Australian Mrs Hewitt's outrageous claim on radio five several
weeks ago, that the UK had just experienced the coldest winter for 40
years!!!. Well I've sent several emails to Mrs Hewitt about this issue and
so far have received two replies but as of yet no answer to my question
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Hello I emailed this message below on Friday evening last. I realise you
are busy but it is a simple a simple question


"I heard you on the BBC radio Five drive programme tonight around 5pm. You
were being interviewed by Peter Allen and you said in that interview that
the UK has just come through the coldest winter for forty years.
Did I miss hear that ,or did you actually say forty years?

Thanks
Lawrence Jenkins."

Thanks. I look forward to your honest reply.

Lawrence Jenkins

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reply

"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My response

"
Thanks for the reply. Patricia actually said it? on the BBC Radio Five
Drive programme at approx 16:55 pm 31/3/2006. Apparently she's said this
before, so I would like it verified.

Thanks again for your time.

Lawrence Jenkins"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to parliament
"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally my response

"Clare for christsakes how long will this take? All you have to do is ask
her.
Is she afraid to commit herself publicly for clearly talking nonsense."



Well now Patricia has lowered her misleading claim to decades.

"Mrs Hewitt said: "We have just come through one of the coldest winters for
decades and we haven't had any of the winter bed crises."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4935358.stm

In the meantime my remarks about the UKMO boll%cks of working closely with
Mrs Hewitts dept in issueing weather health warnings still continues to
decieve. I spoke to my next door neigbour a couple of days back. Ron King
who was a prisioner of war taken at Dunkirk and held until the allied
invasion.
Yep he's just spent several weeks in Lewisham hospital where he picked up a
secondary infection, yep MRSA. Where we UKMO when he needed them?

All I've heard all morning is that interview of Ms Hewitt saying "we
have just had the coldest winter in years and the hospitals coped" so
it's ok to sack all the nurses.

Why the BBC or even the MetO let this mis-information be repeated time
and time again I don't know. It devalues all the work and science
what's involved.




Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Well I've banged on about this for some time, but here's more proof. The
UKMO in an unprecedented move mage a bold prediction

" Met Office predict a two-in-three chance of a colder-than-average winter
across much of Europe for the period December 2005 to February 2006."
http://www.meto.gov.uk/research/seas.../headline.html

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which was
released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less truthful
version of the forecast?

Anyhow UKMO have been got at by the government which is increasingly
characterised as a bunch of liars who are using them as a propaganda tool.
Hence the Australian Mrs Hewitt's outrageous claim on radio five several
weeks ago, that the UK had just experienced the coldest winter for 40
years!!!. Well I've sent several emails to Mrs Hewitt about this issue and
so far have received two replies but as of yet no answer to my question
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Hello I emailed this message below on Friday evening last. I realise you
are busy but it is a simple a simple question


"I heard you on the BBC radio Five drive programme tonight around 5pm. You
were being interviewed by Peter Allen and you said in that interview that
the UK has just come through the coldest winter for forty years.
Did I miss hear that ,or did you actually say forty years?

Thanks
Lawrence Jenkins."

Thanks. I look forward to your honest reply.

Lawrence Jenkins

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reply

"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My response

"
Thanks for the reply. Patricia actually said it? on the BBC Radio Five
Drive programme at approx 16:55 pm 31/3/2006. Apparently she's said this
before, so I would like it verified.

Thanks again for your time.

Lawrence Jenkins"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to parliament
"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally my response

"Clare for christsakes how long will this take? All you have to do is ask
her.
Is she afraid to commit herself publicly for clearly talking nonsense."



Well now Patricia has lowered her misleading claim to decades.

"Mrs Hewitt said: "We have just come through one of the coldest winters for
decades and we haven't had any of the winter bed crises."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4935358.stm

In the meantime my remarks about the UKMO boll%cks of working closely with
Mrs Hewitts dept in issueing weather health warnings still continues to
decieve. I spoke to my next door neigbour a couple of days back. Ron King
who was a prisioner of war taken at Dunkirk and held until the allied
invasion.
Yep he's just spent several weeks in Lewisham hospital where he picked up a
secondary infection, yep MRSA. Where we UKMO when he needed them?

All I've heard all morning is that interview of Ms Hewitt saying "we
have just had the coldest winter in years and the hospitals coped" so
it's ok to sack all the nurses.

Why the BBC or even the MetO let this mis-information be repeated time
and time again I don't know. It devalues all the work and science
what's involved.




Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Well I've banged on about this for some time, but here's more proof. The
UKMO in an unprecedented move mage a bold prediction

" Met Office predict a two-in-three chance of a colder-than-average winter
across much of Europe for the period December 2005 to February 2006."
http://www.meto.gov.uk/research/seas.../headline.html

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which was
released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less truthful
version of the forecast?

Anyhow UKMO have been got at by the government which is increasingly
characterised as a bunch of liars who are using them as a propaganda tool.
Hence the Australian Mrs Hewitt's outrageous claim on radio five several
weeks ago, that the UK had just experienced the coldest winter for 40
years!!!. Well I've sent several emails to Mrs Hewitt about this issue and
so far have received two replies but as of yet no answer to my question
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Hello I emailed this message below on Friday evening last. I realise you
are busy but it is a simple a simple question


"I heard you on the BBC radio Five drive programme tonight around 5pm. You
were being interviewed by Peter Allen and you said in that interview that
the UK has just come through the coldest winter for forty years.
Did I miss hear that ,or did you actually say forty years?

Thanks
Lawrence Jenkins."

Thanks. I look forward to your honest reply.

Lawrence Jenkins

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reply

"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My response

"
Thanks for the reply. Patricia actually said it? on the BBC Radio Five
Drive programme at approx 16:55 pm 31/3/2006. Apparently she's said this
before, so I would like it verified.

Thanks again for your time.

Lawrence Jenkins"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to parliament
"
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Response to your Query : - RefE00000086509 - Do I have to move
to Leicester


Dear Mr Jenkins,

Thank you for your email to Patricia Hewitt regarding comments made on BBC
Radio 5 Live 'Drive' regarding this winter's temperatures.

As yet I have been unable to source a transcript of the programme to
verify if this indeed the Secretary of State did say that this has been the
coldest winter for 40 years, or perhaps one of the coldest. Please advise if
you still require this information confirmed or if you are content to have
your point noted on record.

Thank you for your patience.

Yours sincerely,


Clare Noblett
Department of Health
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally my response

"Clare for christsakes how long will this take? All you have to do is ask
her.
Is she afraid to commit herself publicly for clearly talking nonsense."



Well now Patricia has lowered her misleading claim to decades.

"Mrs Hewitt said: "We have just come through one of the coldest winters for
decades and we haven't had any of the winter bed crises."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4935358.stm

In the meantime my remarks about the UKMO boll%cks of working closely with
Mrs Hewitts dept in issueing weather health warnings still continues to
decieve. I spoke to my next door neigbour a couple of days back. Ron King
who was a prisioner of war taken at Dunkirk and held until the allied
invasion.
Yep he's just spent several weeks in Lewisham hospital where he picked up a
secondary infection, yep MRSA. Where we UKMO when he needed them?

wrote:
All I've heard all morning is that interview of Ms Hewitt saying "we
have just had the coldest winter in years and the hospitals coped" so
it's ok to sack all the nurses.

Why the BBC or even the MetO let this mis-information be repeated time
and time again I don't know. It devalues all the work and science
what's involved.


It just shows how 'thick' the people are who are running this Country.

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
Well I've banged on about this for some time, but here's more proof. The
UKMO in an unprecedented move mage a bold prediction

" Met Office predict a two-in-three chance of a colder-than-average winter
across much of Europe for the period December 2005 to February 2006."
http://www.meto.gov.uk/research/seas.../headline.html

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which was
released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less truthful
version of the forecast?

Anyhow UKMO have been got at by the government which is increasingly
characterised as a bunch of liars who are using them as a propaganda tool.
Hence the Australian Mrs Hewitt's outrageous claim on radio five several
weeks ago, that the UK had just experienced the coldest winter for 40
years!!!. Well I've sent several emails to Mrs Hewitt about this issue and
so far have received two replies but as of yet no answer to my question
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------
The following may be of interest, the lady in question is still on about
the terrible winter.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...RITAIN-NHS.xml

Derek

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

Well I've banged on about this for some time, but here's more proof. The
UKMO in an unprecedented move mage a bold prediction

" Met Office predict a two-in-three chance of a colder-than-average winter
across much of Europe for the period December 2005 to February 2006."
http://www.meto.gov.uk/research/seas.../headline.html

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which was
released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less truthful
version of the forecast?



I think you may well find the hype is in the Daily Express Front Page
Archives....

Spot on Keith!

Eric

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
wrote:
All I've heard all morning is that interview of Ms Hewitt saying "we
have just had the coldest winter in years and the hospitals coped" so
it's ok to sack all the nurses.

Why the BBC or even the MetO let this mis-information be repeated time
and time again I don't know. It devalues all the work and science
what's involved.


It just shows how 'thick' the people are who are running this Country.

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net

Replying here as I no longer get to see Lawrence's posts.
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

Now in truth I cannot even find the original winter UKMO hype which
was released in September 2005. Has it now disappeared with a less
truthful version of the forecast?


The original headline 'hype', captured at the time, was -

"The Met Office has predicted a two in three chance of a
colder-than-average winter for much of Europe, and that if Europe were
to experience below-average temperatures, parts of the UK - especially
southern regions - would also be affected. There was also an indication
for a drier-than-average winter over much of the UK."

Dramatic and over the top, eh ?

Tom

I don't think that being "thick" is the issue. It's the lack of integrity
that I loathe. The willingness at the drop of a political well pensioned hat
to distort the truth.
Are you really telling me that Paticia Hewitt is thick, that she didn't
check with her researchers?
Any british government that resides in power manages the UKMO, they are
civil servants, thefore it's naivity at its worse to assume that Hewitt
didn't or could not get the facts straight from UKMO

Even though this could be construed as me over reacting to Hewitt's weather
lies. It is typical of a government that is constantly guided by an army of
advisors and spin doctors. Remember the email that was exposed by the media,
when Jo Moore wrote to Steven Byer's immediatley after 9/11 advising
"its a good day to bury bad news".

I don't know about you but I would be ashamed to make statements like
Hewitt. In fact I would be compelled to rectify my mistake if it had been a
mistake. This was no thick mistake, it was a deliberate attempt to rewrite
winter 2005/6 and that in my book is lies, Maybe some people do not read the
same books as me.










"Eric Ingham" wrote in message
...
Spot on Keith!

Eric

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
wrote:
All I've heard all morning is that interview of Ms Hewitt saying "we
have just had the coldest winter in years and the hospitals coped" so
it's ok to sack all the nurses.

Why the BBC or even the MetO let this mis-information be repeated time
and time again I don't know. It devalues all the work and science
what's involved.


It just shows how 'thick' the people are who are running this Country.

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net

"Tom Allen" wrote in message
...

Replying here as I no longer get to see Lawrence's posts.
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:


Am I to assume from that remark that you have 'killfiled me' ?
Which of course if it is the case, then you won't read this.