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No Severe Warning?
Just had a peek at the radar and have spotted a seemingly substantial
echo with the usual bright colours flirting with the North Devon Coast - roughly over Lundy. So I was a bit surprised to see no warnings in place for SW Wales as there has been during the day down here in Central Southern England. Perhaps they are going to lose strength shortly.... R |
No Severe Warning?
Robin Nicholson wrote: Just had a peek at the radar and have spotted a seemingly substantial echo with the usual bright colours flirting with the North Devon Coast - roughly over Lundy. So I was a bit surprised to see no warnings in place for SW Wales as there has been during the day down here in Central Southern England. Perhaps they are going to lose strength shortly.... R Maybe, but are we not getting to the point where some people expect a severe weather warning to be issued for every large thunderstorm? And, is a summer thunderstorm severe weather? It might cause an inch of rain to fall over a very localised area and give standing water in a village high street somewhere, but for the majority of the population it results in the sky going dark in one direction a few rumbles of thunder that threaten the barbeque, and that's about it. Even the most lunatic motorway driver ought to be able to notice the change in driving conditions, and slow down. I see we have had a 'heatwave warning' issued which seems to advise people to stay indoors during the middle of the day and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol. Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but millions of people take Mediterranean holidays at this time of year. It is not unknown for the temperature in that area to reach 30-32 C on many days during the summer. Can I assume in future that holidaymakers going to these destinations will be told to stay indoors and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol? Forgive me while a take a few minutes to imagine the collective response. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I see we have had a 'heatwave warning' issued which seems to advise people to stay indoors during the middle of the day and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol. Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but millions of people take Mediterranean holidays at this time of year. It is not unknown for the temperature in that area to reach 30-32 C on many days during the summer. Can I assume in future that holidaymakers going to these destinations will be told to stay indoors and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol? You could argue that temperatures of that level tend to be linked with higher humidity than in the Med, so the effects might be more pronounced. However these heatwave warnings are based upon temperature alone, not humidity or any 'comfort index'. Temps around 30C. Big deal. It's early July. It's a good old fashioned British heatwave. There's nothing remotely unusual about this current spell of weather. Being told to drink water when we feel thirsty or come indoors when we feel hot is patronising to say the least. Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. |
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Speaking with one of the teachers at my sons school this morning, she
told me that all the children are to be kept in during playtimes this week because it's and "Official Heatwave". Something to do with fear of litigation if one of the darlings get heat stroke or sun burn. I sort of understand the thinking because the school does have a duty of care. However, when I suggested that they just make sure that the sun tan cream is on, they wear hats and drink plenty, I was told that they aren't permitted to help the kids put on sun tan cream - Something to do with litigation again. The worlds going mad!!! Cheers Neil Col wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I see we have had a 'heatwave warning' issued which seems to advise people to stay indoors during the middle of the day and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol. Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but millions of people take Mediterranean holidays at this time of year. It is not unknown for the temperature in that area to reach 30-32 C on many days during the summer. Can I assume in future that holidaymakers going to these destinations will be told to stay indoors and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol? You could argue that temperatures of that level tend to be linked with higher humidity than in the Med, so the effects might be more pronounced. However these heatwave warnings are based upon temperature alone, not humidity or any 'comfort index'. Temps around 30C. Big deal. It's early July. It's a good old fashioned British heatwave. There's nothing remotely unusual about this current spell of weather. Being told to drink water when we feel thirsty or come indoors when we feel hot is patronising to say the least. Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. |
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wrote: Maybe, but are we not getting to the point where some people expect a severe weather warning to be issued for every large thunderstorm? snip I see we have had a 'heatwave warning' issued which seems to advise people to stay indoors during the middle of the day and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol. Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but millions of people take Mediterranean holidays at this time of year. snip I'm no fan of severe weather warnings, and have indicated publicly (and privately to those who control them on the only occasion I was asked) that most of them are unnecessary. I like to think that my opinion at least contributed to the review of the system earlier this year. Such warnings only have the required shock value if there are, say, only half a dozen per year. Most warnings (for those events which common sense would indicate some change of behaviour) are pointless and, because of the sheer weight of them, counter-productive. The MO should not be providing warnings for idiots. However, I do think there is some point to the heatwave warnings. The 2003 heatwave was arguably Britain's biggest meteorological killer since the 1952 smog event, while Europe-wide it delivered the greatest number of corpses for any weather event for centuries. The response hereabouts - "millions of people take Mediterranean holidays" for instance - seems to indicate that these warnings are not adequately directed at the at-risk groups. That's certainly the fault of the devisers of the system and should be addressed. Having a 90-year old mother certainly concentrates the mind in this respect ... she was brought up in southern France, but at this age the physiological ability to cope with considerable heat is seriously restricted, while the thirst reflex seems to vanish when heatstroke is imminent. Philip |
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In message , Col
writes wrote in message roups.com... I see we have had a 'heatwave warning' issued which seems to advise people to stay indoors during the middle of the day and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol. Now, forgive me for being a cynic, but millions of people take Mediterranean holidays at this time of year. It is not unknown for the temperature in that area to reach 30-32 C on many days during the summer. Can I assume in future that holidaymakers going to these destinations will be told to stay indoors and avoid drinking tea, coffee or alcohol? You could argue that temperatures of that level tend to be linked with higher humidity than in the Med, so the effects might be more pronounced. However these heatwave warnings are based upon temperature alone, not humidity or any 'comfort index'. Temps around 30C. Big deal. It's early July. It's a good old fashioned British heatwave. There's nothing remotely unusual about this current spell of weather. Being told to drink water when we feel thirsty or come indoors when we feel hot is patronising to say the least. Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. Dew-points in the Med are usually quite a bit higher than in UK. Currently, for example, dew-points at coastal stations in the Med are mostly in the range 19-23 degC whereas in the British Isles they are currently around 13-15 deg C. For any given temperature, the corresponding RH in the Med is much higher than in UK. I agree that the current so-called "heat wave" is no big deal. I dislike it intensely but it's nothing out of the ordinary. If the current conditions justify the issue of health warnings from the government they should also be warning us not to take summer holidays to the Med, the Caribbean, Florida etc. as conditions in these places are significantly more stressful than what we are currently experiencing. I think I understand the need to drink plenty without having to be told to do so :-) My tuppence-worth. Norman (delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail) -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St Giles 85m a.s.l. England |
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:30:49 +0100, Neil wrote:
I sort of understand the thinking because the school does have a duty of care. However, when I suggested that they just make sure that the sun tan cream is on, they wear hats and drink plenty, I was told that they aren't permitted to help the kids put on sun tan cream - Something to do with litigation again. We had the blanket "we can't apply sun cream" from the infant/primary school last year. I went into writing to the head teacher about it, "Duty of care" etc. This year if a parent wants the school to apply sun cream they have to give permission in writing. Even then they will only apply to face, neck and arms, the children have to do their own legs. Two adults have to be present and sun cream supplied by the parents (allergies, not only to nuts but lanolin). Children applying cream themselves will still be supervised. This is a much more sensible approach than the blanket ban, not that you need blankets in the middle of summer. B-) Maybe you need to kick your school/LEA into a more appropiate policy, we are under Cumbria County Council, had a quick look on their website but couldn't find the find the full policy or even an outline. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:40:08 +0100, Philip Eden wrote:
The MO should not be providing warnings for idiots. Hear, hear. ... while the thirst reflex seems to vanish when heatstroke is imminent. I believe by the time you actually feel thirsty enough to do something about it you are already well on the way to dehydration. Noting how often you are going for a wee is useful as well, if you haven't been for, say 4 hours, and you don't feel the need or if you try there isn't very much then it's a sign that you are getting dehydrated, thirsty or not. I remember being amazed at how much water I was drinking when in Ilat one summer. It was very dry and the low 40's but 6 litres (10 pints) of water was going in and only the normal amount of wee coming out... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Norman Lynagh wrote: In message , Col I agree that the current so-called "heat wave" is no big deal. I dislike it intensely but it's nothing out of the ordinary. If the current conditions justify the issue of health warnings from the government they should also be warning us not to take summer holidays to the Med, the Caribbean, Florida etc. as conditions in these places are significantly more stressful than what we are currently experiencing. Not to mention all the business people, myself included, not going anywhere in the United States during the summer (except the Pacific Northwest and Alaska). Martin (even more cynical than Norman). -- Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St Giles 85m a.s.l. England |
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