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[email protected] July 4th 06 06:13 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather. I
would stress that I'm not moaning about her particular punishment,
but simply complaining about unreasonable school rules.

Not only is it plain daft to insist that the children are uncomfortable
simply to comply with some old fashioned rules, I have pointed out to
the school that with the modern culture of "Health & Safety",
insisting that top buttons are done up in what are offically "heatwave
condtions" could leave the school open to all sorts of problems.

When I was in the Air Force some 30 years ago, in extremely hot
weather, the station Tannoy would broadcast "shirt sleeve order"
which meant that jackets could be discarded, ties removed and shirt
sleeves rolled up.

Later when an Airline Captain I would say to the First Officer: "Well
I don't know about you, but I'm taking my tie off". Goodness
knows what our passengers thought when the walked out to the aircraft
to see two pilots with OPEN NECKED shirts. They must have got an
impression of a severe lack of professionalism:-)

Jack


Col July 4th 06 06:33 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather. I
would stress that I'm not moaning about her particular punishment,
but simply complaining about unreasonable school rules.


My God, undoing her top collar button, obviously a detention offence!

Not only is it plain daft to insist that the children are uncomfortable
simply to comply with some old fashioned rules, I have pointed out to
the school that with the modern culture of "Health & Safety",
insisting that top buttons are done up in what are offically "heatwave
condtions" could leave the school open to all sorts of problems.


That's a good tactic, using the H&S stuff against them.
I dunno if you agree with all that stuff but if it gives you some leverage
then why not. They don't like it up 'em :)

When I was in the Air Force some 30 years ago, in extremely hot
weather, the station Tannoy would broadcast "shirt sleeve order"
which meant that jackets could be discarded, ties removed and shirt
sleeves rolled up.


I wear short sleeved shirts all year anyway but I have this rule that
if it gets to 25C then my tie comes off. Nobody complains we're
quite flexible at my place of work.

Later when an Airline Captain I would say to the First Officer: "Well
I don't know about you, but I'm taking my tie off". Goodness
knows what our passengers thought when the walked out to the aircraft
to see two pilots with OPEN NECKED shirts. They must have got an
impression of a severe lack of professionalism:-)


My GOD, how on earth did you manage to fly that plane wearing that
kind of attire?

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.



Wijke July 4th 06 06:42 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

schreef in bericht
oups.com...
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather. I
would stress that I'm not moaning about her particular punishment,
but simply complaining about unreasonable school rules.

Not only is it plain daft to insist that the children are uncomfortable
simply to comply with some old fashioned rules, I have pointed out to
the school that with the modern culture of "Health & Safety",
insisting that top buttons are done up in what are offically "heatwave
condtions" could leave the school open to all sorts of problems.

When I was in the Air Force some 30 years ago, in extremely hot
weather, the station Tannoy would broadcast "shirt sleeve order"
which meant that jackets could be discarded, ties removed and shirt
sleeves rolled up.

Later when an Airline Captain I would say to the First Officer: "Well
I don't know about you, but I'm taking my tie off". Goodness
knows what our passengers thought when the walked out to the aircraft
to see two pilots with OPEN NECKED shirts. They must have got an
impression of a severe lack of professionalism:-)


Jack, i know its completely off-topic, but can't resist replying. Those poor
kids!! As you may know in Holland the culture of school uniforms is
unknown...in the best case taken as some relict from the Dark-Ages. But
maybe you consider us from another planet:)) Whatever... I totally agree
with you!
Can remember last year an inventive guy in Japan -- where suit and tie was
dress code for gouvernmental employees as well as in most companies -
designed "hot weather"-shirts; just to get rid of that tie, lethal in
heat-wave conditions. Main goal was saving energy as the airconditioning in
most buildings could be brought down, when all employees could throw off
their ties.

By the way if I were one of your passengers back then....am not sure what to
think; but I'd probably consider you had a hell of a job in that cockpit:)).

Wijke
Heat-wave Netherlands Tc 28.5°C





Martin Rowley July 4th 06 06:56 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

schreef in bericht
oups.com...
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather. I
would stress that I'm not moaning about her particular punishment,
but simply complaining about unreasonable school rules.



.... Although not (thankfully) at the same tragic level, perhaps the
school authorities might like to be aware of this news article ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5143584.stm

Martin.


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Neil July 4th 06 07:02 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
Jack

At my sons school, where uniform is usually strictly enforced, he hasn't
had to wear a tie or have his top button done up for about 2 or 3 weeks.

Regards

Neil

wrote:
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather. I
would stress that I'm not moaning about her particular punishment,
but simply complaining about unreasonable school rules.

Not only is it plain daft to insist that the children are uncomfortable
simply to comply with some old fashioned rules, I have pointed out to
the school that with the modern culture of "Health & Safety",
insisting that top buttons are done up in what are offically "heatwave
condtions" could leave the school open to all sorts of problems.

When I was in the Air Force some 30 years ago, in extremely hot
weather, the station Tannoy would broadcast "shirt sleeve order"
which meant that jackets could be discarded, ties removed and shirt
sleeves rolled up.

Later when an Airline Captain I would say to the First Officer: "Well
I don't know about you, but I'm taking my tie off". Goodness
knows what our passengers thought when the walked out to the aircraft
to see two pilots with OPEN NECKED shirts. They must have got an
impression of a severe lack of professionalism:-)

Jack


Robin Nicholson July 4th 06 08:25 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
On 4 Jul 2006 11:13:06 -0700, wrote:

I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school.


And no doubt they ban conkers,snowballs within 65metres,daisy chains
and all the rest. Frankly, ludicrous.
R

keith w July 4th 06 08:52 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
i remember a long thread in 1998 with the anally retentive head of
Erith school saying may god daughter couldn't wear trousers in
winter....

save the energy, give her a few days off (provided shes played the game
and is on the ball and up 2 date)


a l l y July 4th 06 10:00 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

"keith w" wrote in message
ups.com...
i remember a long thread in 1998 with the anally retentive head of
Erith school saying may god daughter couldn't wear trousers in
winter....

When I was about 10 years old I was sent home from school in a raging
blizzard because my mum had insisted I wear trousers rather than a skirt and
ankle socks. I thought things had improved since those days. Evidently not.
(My mum didn't let me go back until the weather improved, and you can
imagine how furious she was that they made me walk home alone in a howling
blizzard!)

ally



Surfer! July 5th 06 07:16 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
In message , a l l y
writes

"keith w" wrote in message
oups.com...
i remember a long thread in 1998 with the anally retentive head of
Erith school saying may god daughter couldn't wear trousers in
winter....

When I was about 10 years old I was sent home from school in a raging
blizzard because my mum had insisted I wear trousers rather than a skirt and
ankle socks. I thought things had improved since those days. Evidently not.
(My mum didn't let me go back until the weather improved, and you can
imagine how furious she was that they made me walk home alone in a howling
blizzard!)


When I was a secondary school we all wore mini-skirts no matter how cold
it was. Of course we wore thick tights with them, but all the same...

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net

Graham P Davis July 5th 06 07:23 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
a l l y wrote:


"keith w" wrote in message
ups.com...
i remember a long thread in 1998 with the anally retentive head of
Erith school saying may god daughter couldn't wear trousers in
winter....

When I was about 10 years old I was sent home from school in a raging
blizzard because my mum had insisted I wear trousers rather than a skirt
and ankle socks. I thought things had improved since those days. Evidently
not. (My mum didn't let me go back until the weather improved, and you can
imagine how furious she was that they made me walk home alone in a howling
blizzard!)



A few years ago, a school here sent a pupil home for wearing a white cotton
shirt instead of a white polyester shirt.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell


Surfer! July 5th 06 07:49 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
In message , Graham P Davis
writes
a l l y wrote:


"keith w" wrote in message
ups.com...
i remember a long thread in 1998 with the anally retentive head of
Erith school saying may god daughter couldn't wear trousers in
winter....

When I was about 10 years old I was sent home from school in a raging
blizzard because my mum had insisted I wear trousers rather than a skirt
and ankle socks. I thought things had improved since those days. Evidently
not. (My mum didn't let me go back until the weather improved, and you can
imagine how furious she was that they made me walk home alone in a howling
blizzard!)



A few years ago, a school here sent a pupil home for wearing a white cotton
shirt instead of a white polyester shirt.


I'm astonished the teacher could tell the difference!


--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net

Graham P Davis July 5th 06 08:18 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
Surfer! wrote:

In message , Graham P Davis
writes


A few years ago, a school here sent a pupil home for wearing a white
cotton shirt instead of a white polyester shirt.


I'm astonished the teacher could tell the difference!


If it was weather like this, he was probably the only child in the school
not drenched in sweat.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell


[email protected] July 5th 06 08:35 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

Graham P Davis wrote:
Surfer! wrote:

In message , Graham P Davis
writes


A few years ago, a school here sent a pupil home for wearing a white
cotton shirt instead of a white polyester shirt.


I'm astonished the teacher could tell the difference!


If it was weather like this, he was probably the only child in the school
not drenched in sweat.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell


There is something badly wrong with the education system if little
hitlers are imposing such stupid, petty regulations. A girl is cut
across the face by another with a razor blade, children are allegedly
taking knives to school and someone gets a detention for having their
top button undone in temperatures of 29/30C?

It really does beggar belief.


Col July 5th 06 10:08 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

wrote in message
ups.com...


There is something badly wrong with the education system if little
hitlers are imposing such stupid, petty regulations. A girl is cut
across the face by another with a razor blade, children are allegedly
taking knives to school and someone gets a detention for having their
top button undone in temperatures of 29/30C?


It's like they've given up tackling al the really important stuff and
are content with satisfying themselves with some illusion of
authority with these petty rules.

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.



Graham P Davis July 5th 06 10:40 AM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
wrote:


Graham P Davis wrote:
Surfer! wrote:

In message , Graham P Davis
writes


A few years ago, a school here sent a pupil home for wearing a white
cotton shirt instead of a white polyester shirt.

I'm astonished the teacher could tell the difference!


If it was weather like this, he was probably the only child in the school
not drenched in sweat.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell


There is something badly wrong with the education system if little
hitlers are imposing such stupid, petty regulations. A girl is cut
across the face by another with a razor blade, children are allegedly
taking knives to school and someone gets a detention for having their
top button undone in temperatures of 29/30C?

It really does beggar belief.


My first reaction when I heard that 40% of children took knives to school
was "only 40%?". I presume the figures are for knives classified as
offensive weapons though I've heard no-one make the distinction. Fifty
years ago, nearly all of us took knives to school but these were mainly
penknives. I also used to take a razor-blade with me - one of the old
Ever-Ready single-edged sort. These were essential tools for school, the
same as pens, pencils, dividers, compasses, etc.

--
Graham Davis
Bracknell


BlueLightning July 5th 06 04:13 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
When I was a secondary school we all wore mini-skirts no matter how cold
it was. Of course we wore thick tights with them, but all the same...

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net


Interesting, it's gone the other way now. Mini-skirts not allowed

The argument rages on about school uniforms (taking place in other
forums)

But the whole stuff about having the top button fastened, is really
beyond belief

There ought to be mass debates in all the schools about uniforms, and
then a vote takes place, about whether to keep them or not. Children of
ALL ages to be allowed to vote


Paul Hyett July 5th 06 05:34 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 
In message , Surfer!
writes
In message , a l l y
writes

When I was about 10 years old I was sent home from school in a raging
blizzard because my mum had insisted I wear trousers rather than a skirt and
ankle socks. I thought things had improved since those days. Evidently not.
(My mum didn't let me go back until the weather improved, and you can
imagine how furious she was that they made me walk home alone in a howling
blizzard!)


When I was a secondary school we all wore mini-skirts no matter how
cold it was.


I hope you mean just the *girls* had to... :)
--
Paul Hyett (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

jim.matt July 7th 06 08:38 PM

Heat & School Uniform rules
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
I am involved in a ludicrous battle with my 13 yr-old daughter's
school. Polly got three yellow cards which meant an automatic red
(detention) for undoing her top collar button in this hot weather.


That's ridiculous!! Everyone knows it's *two* yellows and then a red. ;-)
Who's the head teacher? Graham Poll???!




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