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4.6mm for the month in Dover, even less fell here today than in Canters
:1.8mm! The balance will be redressed - Mother Nature pays her debt, be it dry or wet. Robin Nicholson wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:34:41 +0100, Jonathan Stott wrote: Light rain all morning giving a total of 2.3mm of rainfall since 09Z today, making that the wettest day since 2.3mm on 28th August. Very blustery now but the rain has stopped and the sun has come out. Monthly total rainfall now stands at 3.0mm. I always thought Canterbury and the extreme SE got clobbered by showers running along the Channel and clipping Kent. How do you normally compare with Dover 'down the road'? R |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 23:09:13 +0100, Jonathan Stott
wrote: Not even so far away as Dover, but in Boughton (about 6 miles away as the crow flies) there seems to be a lot more rain than here. I have remarked before about how so many heavy storms seem to pass just to the west of here - on several occasions it's been bone dry here but a walk of a mile or so into town often shows signs of heavy rain. Yes- I am absolutely certain that Poole and eastwards to Southampton gets much more rain of the French export stuff..central to west Dorset is invariably on the western fringe. Like today actually in fact! But of course the long term averages are the key thing and here I am stuck, as the nearest place to me with records is presumably Yeovilton. And that is about 20 miles, north west side of the North Dorset Downs. Do you have any long term averages? I am about 1.5 miles SW of Bul Barrow (274metres), but I am not at all sure whether that modest height accentuates rainfall. But of course, snow falls there in winter quite readily. |
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![]() "Robin Nicholson" wrote But of course the long term averages are the key thing and here I am stuck, as the nearest place to me with records is presumably Yeovilton. And that is about 20 miles, north west side of the North Dorset Downs. Do you have any long term averages? I am about 1.5 miles SW of Bul Barrow (274metres), but I am not at all sure whether that modest height accentuates rainfall. But of course, snow falls there in winter quite readily. Robin, if that puts you a few km SE of Shaftesbury, your 1941-70 mean annual rainfall is 960mm, approx 30% more than Yeovilton's. If you have more recent averages for Yeovilton then simply apply a 30% blanket correction which should get you close. Always bear in mind that AWS rain-gauges typically collect up to 10% less rain than a standard manual gauge. Sometimes the difference is even greater. I'd always recommend having a manual gauge alongside an AWS one. Philip |
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![]() "Jonathan Stott" wrote in message ... Robin Nicholson wrote: I always thought Canterbury and the extreme SE got clobbered by showers running along the Channel and clipping Kent. How do you normally compare with Dover 'down the road'? Not even so far away as Dover, but in Boughton (about 6 miles away as the crow flies) there seems to be a lot more rain than here. I have remarked before about how so many heavy storms seem to pass just to the west of here - on several occasions it's been bone dry here but a walk of a mile or so into town often shows signs of heavy rain. The same seems to apply to the far south-east of Kent - a number of times I have seen radar images which show moderate or heavy rain just around the coast of Kent (Dover/Folkestone area) but absolutely nothing here. Making estimates using the 1941-70 rainfall map, Canterbury ranges from 640mm around the northern fringe to 700mm in the southernmost outskirts. Wye College has 740mm, Folkestone 750mm, Dover ranges from about 770mm at the harbour to 860mm on the Downs above the town. 850-900mm is typical of the highest land in the triangle between Canterbury, Dover and Ashford. The coast around Herne Bay averages about 570mm. HTH, Philip |
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![]() "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Always bear in mind that AWS rain-gauges typically collect up to 10% less rain than a standard manual gauge. Sometimes the difference is even greater. I'd always recommend having a manual gauge alongside an AWS one. Philip, Why is that - is it just a calibration thing ? I often have to amend the AWS figure after the event with the rain-guage value. Phil |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:22:40 +0100, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote: Robin, if that puts you a few km SE of Shaftesbury, your 1941-70 mean annual rainfall is 960mm, approx 30% more than Yeovilton's. If you have more recent averages for Yeovilton then simply apply a 30% blanket correction which should get you close. Always bear in mind that AWS rain-gauges typically collect up to 10% less rain than a standard manual gauge. Sometimes the difference is even greater. I'd always recommend having a manual gauge alongside an AWS one. Thank you. I suppose I am actually 20 km SSW. Multimap gives my height as 140m. I guess the approx 30% more is the effect of the North Dorset hills. R |
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![]() "Robin Nicholson" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:22:40 +0100, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote: Robin, if that puts you a few km SE of Shaftesbury, your 1941-70 mean annual rainfall is 960mm, approx 30% more than Yeovilton's. If you have more recent averages for Yeovilton then simply apply a 30% blanket correction which should get you close. Always bear in mind that AWS rain-gauges typically collect up to 10% less rain than a standard manual gauge. Sometimes the difference is even greater. I'd always recommend having a manual gauge alongside an AWS one. Thank you. I suppose I am actually 20 km SSW. Multimap gives my height as 140m. I guess the approx 30% more is the effect of the North Dorset hills. Ah, I was looking at the wrong hill! Your 41-70 AAR is actually 1070mm which is 45% higher than Yeovilton. There are various effects at work ... altitude, proximity to the Channel coast, and in respect of Yeovilton a marked rainshadow in the lee of the various ranges of hills which almost surround it. Philip |
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![]() "Phil Layton" wrote in message ... "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message ... Always bear in mind that AWS rain-gauges typically collect up to 10% less rain than a standard manual gauge. Sometimes the difference is even greater. I'd always recommend having a manual gauge alongside an AWS one. Why is that - is it just a calibration thing ? I often have to amend the AWS figure after the event with the rain-guage value. Actually, Phil, probably not calibration at all. I have a top-of-the- range one at Hampstead, but it still catches 9% less than the manual gauge. As far as I can gather, the main problems are out-splash (it doesn't have a raised outer rim) and inefficient tipping of the tipping-bucket mechanism. Poor design sums it up best, I think. Philip |
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