Weatherlawyer wrote:
Keith (Southend) wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

Let me reverse the situation, do you subscribe to the GW lobby and if the
answer is a yea, do you feel there has been increased storm activity since
1987?
No.

To what level might this negativity carry?

And does anyone have a piccie of what a storm would look like in the
upper atmosphere? I don't mean a view from above but the sort, or in
the nature of, a sea level mix up regarded as stormy -only superior.

These glowballers inodate in extremis about storms but what sort of
storms are there to choose from and what other long term effects might
be expected with the damn things?


You loose me sometimes Lawrence, but I'm sure you could feel the whole
evening with interesting conversation down the pub :-)

The 'No' was in agreement with your first statement, I don't feel we get
anymore storminess than we did before, infact I think we get less!
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

I don't subsribe to the "lobby". I use my own observations and read on
the subject.

I don't think there has been an increase in storm activity since 1987,
but I do know that is evidence
that precipitation has been getting more intense in recent decades.

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:




Let me reverse the situation, do you subscribe to the GW lobby and if the
answer is a yea, do you feel there has been increased storm activity since
1987?

"Keith (Southend)" wrote in message
...
Weatherlawyer wrote:
Keith (Southend) wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

Let me reverse the situation, do you subscribe to the GW lobby and if
the
answer is a yea, do you feel there has been increased storm activity
since
1987?
No.

To what level might this negativity carry?

And does anyone have a piccie of what a storm would look like in the
upper atmosphere? I don't mean a view from above but the sort, or in
the nature of, a sea level mix up regarded as stormy -only superior.

These glowballers inodate in extremis about storms but what sort of
storms are there to choose from and what other long term effects might
be expected with the damn things?


You loose me sometimes Lawrence, but I'm sure you could feel the whole
evening with interesting conversation down the pub :-)

The 'No' was in agreement with your first statement, I don't feel we get
anymore storminess than we did before, infact I think we get less!
--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

Does that mean then, that the irrefutable warming has beneficial aspect-less
damaging storms?

I don't see any rapid development going on.

The final forecast on the bbc tonight, started with an image of a
fallen tree and a warning of severe gales

I don't think it's going to be that bad

Could be a false alarm this time

On Nov 24, 11:43 pm, Dorian Speakman "dorian
wrote:
I don't subsribe to the "lobby". I use my own observations and read on
the subject.

I don't think there has been an increase in storm activity since 1987,
but I do know that is evidence
that precipitation has been getting more intense in recent decades.


There was a definite increase in storminess in the Atlantic and
the UK during 1986-1993 and many people falsely ascribed this to Global
Warming but since then everything has quietened down a bit.
Historically, the stormiest periods in the UK have been
associated with colder epochs, which makes sense since the zone of
greatest temperature moves south. One could therefore make quite a
good case for Global Warming causing less storminess in this region and
in summer there is some evidence that it already has.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...


Does that mean then, that the irrefutable warming has beneficial
aspect-less damaging storms?


No it means the NAO is transitioning into a more negative phase.

Adam Lea wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...


Does that mean then, that the irrefutable warming has beneficial
aspect-less damaging storms?


No it means the NAO is transitioning into a more negative phase.

How would it go about doing that and what is that fool talking about
"irrefutable warming".

With a negative oscillation there is little distinction between the
lows and the highs. It can't get much more negative than having both
sets of air masses at the same pressure.

Well I suppose it is possible to have Low Pressure areas at an higher
pressure than the High Pressure areas. I don't think that it has ever
happened since Noah came out of the Ark though.

As for the so called glowballer's ideas being irrefutable; it is far
more likely that the lack of pressure differential in the North
Atlantic is the sole cause of storms continuing up into the Arctic
rather than broaching on Scotland and Norway.

With the plethora of cyclones doing just that this year, it is more
likely that the mixing of deep and surface waters in the Arctic has
been more complete this year than in more "normal" times.

And it is this mixing that is showing up as the unusual temperature
gradients in the North Atlantic surface waters. Quite how this works I
wouldn't know, so I can't say but it is a damn site more likely than
the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by a margin of one or
two parts in a million:

I'll go along with that.

That does of course bring up the question if the North Atlantic Drift
slows, there might be some interesting thermal
contrasts over the North Atlantic.

Dorian.


Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Nov 24, 11:43 pm, Dorian Speakman "dorian
wrote:

I don't subsribe to the "lobby". I use my own observations and read on
the subject.

I don't think there has been an increase in storm activity since 1987,
but I do know that is evidence
that precipitation has been getting more intense in recent decades.



There was a definite increase in storminess in the Atlantic and
the UK during 1986-1993 and many people falsely ascribed this to Global
Warming but since then everything has quietened down a bit.
Historically, the stormiest periods in the UK have been
associated with colder epochs, which makes sense since the zone of
greatest temperature moves south. One could therefore make quite a
good case for Global Warming causing less storminess in this region and
in summer there is some evidence that it already has.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.