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In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire..._gallery.shtml
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Paul Hyett wrote:
In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire..._gallery.shtml


Surprised there was no underwater ones, showing a faint outline of
Nessie ! ;-)

Joe
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On Aug 3, 8:50 am, Paul Hyett wrote:
In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire...eries/july_flo...
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It is interesting that many of the places flooded are not low-
lying or near the Severn, eg Moreton-in-Marsh, about 400ft, and parts
of Cheltenham. The floods were not due simply to the Severn getting
too big for its boots but ti the tremendous amounts of rain which
actually fell on or near the flooded places.
What was the highest daily total on July 20th? I know that
Brize Norton got 126 mm. Any others?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

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"Tudor Hughes" wrote :
On Aug 3, 8:50 am, Paul Hyett wrote:
In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire...eries/july_flo...
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email
me)


It is interesting that many of the places flooded are not low-
lying or near the Severn, eg Moreton-in-Marsh, about 400ft, and parts
of Cheltenham. The floods were not due simply to the Severn getting
too big for its boots but ti the tremendous amounts of rain which
actually fell on or near the flooded places.
What was the highest daily total on July 20th? I know that
Brize Norton got 126 mm. Any others?

157mm in 48h at Pershore College of Ag (....gently pointing Tudor
in an up-page direction to the post entitled "July 2007: Synoptic
Overview" and http://www.climate-uk.com/monthly/0707.htm )

Philip


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In uk.sci.weather on Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Tudor Hughes
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On Aug 3, 8:50 am, Paul Hyett wrote:
In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire...eries/july_flo...
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)


It is interesting that many of the places flooded are not low-
lying or near the Severn, eg Moreton-in-Marsh, about 400ft, and parts
of Cheltenham. The floods were not due simply to the Severn getting
too big for its boots but ti the tremendous amounts of rain which
actually fell on or near the flooded places.


Precisely. Almost every significant depression in the area accumulated a
lot of water.
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"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 3, 8:50 am, Paul Hyett wrote:
In case you weren't already aware of how bad it was...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire...eries/july_flo...
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me)


It is interesting that many of the places flooded are not low-
lying or near the Severn, eg Moreton-in-Marsh, about 400ft, and parts
of Cheltenham. The floods were not due simply to the Severn getting
too big for its boots but ti the tremendous amounts of rain which
actually fell on or near the flooded places.
What was the highest daily total on July 20th? I know that
Brize Norton got 126 mm. Any others?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

The Severn Valley usually floods because of rain
water moving downstream from Wales. What made
this event so unusual was that the flood water
originated locally due to prolonged torrential rain
over the Cotswolds, far exceeding the amount that
eventually makes it's way through Shrewsbury,
Bridgnorth, Worcester, Bewdley, etc. It was an
unusual and extraordinary event comparable to
Lynton/Lynmouth and Boscastle, although thankfully
not on the scale of the fatalities.

Alan.




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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:15:42 +0100, "Alan Murphy"
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The Severn Valley usually floods because of rain
water moving downstream from Wales. What made
this event so unusual was that the flood water
originated locally due to prolonged torrential rain
over the Cotswolds, far exceeding the amount that
eventually makes it's way through Shrewsbury,
Bridgnorth, Worcester, Bewdley, etc. It was an
unusual and extraordinary event comparable to
Lynton/Lynmouth and Boscastle, although thankfully
not on the scale of the fatalities.


I remember reports of flooding in the headwaters of the Severn
(Welshpool?) which were largely ignored by the media. However, the media
did make the point on numerous occasions that the Severn was rising as
floodwater moved downstream from 'the Welsh mountains'. It was this,
coupled with the torrential rain over the Cotswolds, that exacerbated
the scale of the flooding.

I wouldn't compare it, either, to Lynton/Lynmouth and Boscastle.
Meteorologically the two events were quite dissimilar as were the
effects.

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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:15:42 +0100, "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

The Severn Valley usually floods because of rain
water moving downstream from Wales. What made
this event so unusual was that the flood water
originated locally due to prolonged torrential rain
over the Cotswolds, far exceeding the amount that
eventually makes it's way through Shrewsbury,
Bridgnorth, Worcester, Bewdley, etc. It was an
unusual and extraordinary event comparable to
Lynton/Lynmouth and Boscastle, although thankfully
not on the scale of the fatalities.


I remember reports of flooding in the headwaters of the Severn
(Welshpool?) which were largely ignored by the media. However, the media
did make the point on numerous occasions that the Severn was rising as
floodwater moved downstream from 'the Welsh mountains'. It was this,
coupled with the torrential rain over the Cotswolds, that exacerbated
the scale of the flooding.

I wouldn't compare it, either, to Lynton/Lynmouth and Boscastle.
Meteorologically the two events were quite dissimilar as were the
effects.

--
Alan White

You may well be right, but could you expand your
reasoning on this. I feel that the events are similar in
the sense that torrential rain fell over an unusually long
period in all cases and exceeded the capacity of the
local geography to cope.

Alan




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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:37:37 +0100, "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

You may well be right, but could you expand your
reasoning on this. I feel that the events are similar in
the sense that torrential rain fell over an unusually long
period in all cases and exceeded the capacity of the
local geography to cope.


In the case of Lynton/Lynton and Boscastle a large quantity of rain fell
in a very short period whereas in the current case a large quantity of
rain fell over a much longer period. I agree that in both cases the
local geography was unable to cope but in both cases the local
geographies were quite dissimilar.

--
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Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather
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In article ,
Alan White writes:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:37:37 +0100, "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

You may well be right, but could you expand your
reasoning on this. I feel that the events are similar in
the sense that torrential rain fell over an unusually long
period in all cases and exceeded the capacity of the
local geography to cope.


In the case of Lynton/Lynton and Boscastle a large quantity of rain fell
in a very short period whereas in the current case a large quantity of
rain fell over a much longer period. I agree that in both cases the
local geography was unable to cope but in both cases the local
geographies were quite dissimilar.


Also in the Lynton and Boscastle floods I believe the really heavy rain,
and also the flooding, was relatively localised.
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Never eat at a place called Mom's.
Never sleep with a woman whose troubles
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