BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

With overnight lows forecast down to -5c in many parts of the rural
south of England tonight, why does the BBC choose to show "Finishing
Numbers" at 09:00AM (BBC Forecast on News at 10 23/11/07), which will
be around +1c in many parts @ 09:00?

Surely it is much more important to indicate that temperatures will
drop well below freezing overnight, particularly if you are out
driving overnight and need to take care on the roads, or you are a
Farmer and need to look after the welfare of your animals, rather than
showing the temperature when most people are having their breakfast.

Come on BBC, start showing the information that the viewer really
needs and get rid of your awful graphics & fly byes.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

Bonos Ego wrote:

With overnight lows forecast down to -5c in many parts of the rural
south of England tonight, why does the BBC choose to show "Finishing
Numbers" at 09:00AM (BBC Forecast on News at 10 23/11/07), which will
be around +1c in many parts @ 09:00?

Surely it is much more important to indicate that temperatures will
drop well below freezing overnight, particularly if you are out
driving overnight and need to take care on the roads, or you are a
Farmer and need to look after the welfare of your animals, rather than
showing the temperature when most people are having their breakfast.

Come on BBC, start showing the information that the viewer really
needs and get rid of your awful graphics & fly byes.


And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's all part
of their GW agenda.


--
Brian Wakem

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

Brian Wakem wrote in
:

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

David Buttery wrote:

Brian Wakem wrote in
:

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!



Perhaps so, but if the presenter says there will be a widespread frost and
points to temperatures of +2 or +3 then this will only confuse Joe Public.


--
Brian Wakem

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

On Nov 23, 11:51 pm, David Buttery wrote:
Brian Wakem wrote :

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

Some good sense there. To a dedicated puritan even the
act of walking has lubricious overtones but that's his problem. I
don't watch these forecasts any more. They don't tell me anything I
can't deduce for myself and they raise my blood pressure and at my age
that is not good. I have taught myself to giggle rather than rage at
the graphics which show a southerly wind in the north of Scotland
coming straight out of the ground.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

On Nov 23, 11:51 pm, David Buttery wrote:
Brian Wakem wrote :

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!

Really, really?

Or have you been listening to Alistair Campbell?

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

On Nov 23, 11:51 pm, David Buttery wrote:
Brian Wakem wrote :

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

The areas coloured blue does not tell me whether the temperature is
-1c or -10c.

Also, Fog appears the same colour as Snow. On the old graphics they
had FOG in capital letters on the map, which clearly tells the viewer
there will be FOG, and not Snow.

Good graphics clearly communicate the information/message to the
viewer without the need of running commentary from the presenter.
Obviously the presenter cannot mention every UK location in a 1min
slot, and that is why the graphics should communicate the message
rather than relying on the presenter to do so.

I take issue with most people living in cities, with there being circa
60 million in the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

Using the main UK cities

London = 7.5m
Glasgow = 0.5m
Edinburgh = 0.4m
Cardiff = 0.3m
Belfast = 0.3m
Birmingham = 1.0m
Manchester = 0.5m (Inc Salford)
Liverpool = 0.4m
Sheffield = 0.5m
Newcastle = 0.3m

That leaves 48.3m living in the rest of the UK

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

In uk.sci.weather on Fri, 23 Nov 2007, David Buttery
wrote :
Brian Wakem wrote in
:

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live.

I live in a large town, yet almost invariably record temperatures
several degrees below their predictions, on clear nights.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

I live in a large town, yet almost invariably record temperatures
several degrees below their predictions, on clear nights.

I know Cheltenham fairly well having lived nearby in the 1970s.

Cheltenham is bound to be in a cold pool on clear nights simply as a
result of draining of cold air from the adjacent hills. I have in
fact on several occasions experienced noticeable katabatic winds
descending off Cleeve Hill.

Although scarcely qualifying for the term "frost hollow" the principle
is the same.

Jack

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

Bonos Ego wrote:
I take issue with most people living in cities, with there being circa
60 million in the UK.

According to the 1991 census, 50.1% of the population of England and
Wales lived in urban settlements with population of over 250,000.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/User%20Guide%20_27AugONS.pdf

--
Neil Sunderland
Braunton, Devon

Please observe the Reply-To address

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

On 24 Nov, 08:25, Bonos Ego wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:51 pm, David Buttery wrote:

Brian Wakem wrote :

And they only show the temperature in the "towns and cities". It's
all part of their GW agenda.

Or possibly because that's where most people live. I think the great
expanses of blue colouring on the map make it pretty clear that it's going
to be cold! Don't get me wrong, I agree with Bonos Ego (and a lot of other
people!) that the BBC graphics are poor in many regards... but not
everything the BBC does has a sinister political motive. Really!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

The areas coloured blue does not tell me whether the temperature is
-1c or -10c.

Also, Fog appears the same colour as Snow. On the old graphics they
had FOG in capital letters on the map, which clearly tells the viewer
there will be FOG, and not Snow.

Good graphics clearly communicate the information/message to the
viewer without the need of running commentary from the presenter.
Obviously the presenter cannot mention every UK location in a 1min
slot, and that is why the graphics should communicate the message
rather than relying on the presenter to do so.

I take issue with most people living in cities, with there being circa
60 million in the UK.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

Using the main UK cities

London = 7.5m
Glasgow = 0.5m
Edinburgh = 0.4m
Cardiff = 0.3m
Belfast = 0.3m
Birmingham = 1.0m
Manchester = 0.5m (Inc Salford)
Liverpool = 0.4m
Sheffield = 0.5m
Newcastle = 0.3m

That leaves 48.3m living in the rest of the UK

There's another million living in the area Bristol/Bath/Weston, and a
similar number in Leeds/Bradford.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

There's another million living in the area Bristol/Bath/Weston, and a
similar number in Leeds/Bradford.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know, I'm just playing with numbers to make a point that most people
do not live in the major cities listed above.

Even if you start adding in all the cities of say 0.1m each, you have
got to get down from 48.3m to 29.9m before the statment that most
people in the UK live in cities is correct, and that is unlikely.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

For reference, there are currently 66 registered cities in the UK,
source Any Question Answered http://www.issuebits.com/index1.htm?next=1

(66-10 listed above) x 0.1m = 5.6m in the other UK cities.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

On 24 Nov, 14:13, Bonos Ego wrote:
For reference, there are currently 66 registered cities in the UK,
source Any Question Answeredhttp://www.issuebits.com/index1.htm?next=1

(66-10 listed above) x 0.1m = 5.6m in the other UK cities.

Truro's a city, and has around 20k inhabitants. St David's has a
population of 2k. Neil got it about right using the 1991 census.

Graham
Penzance - where its 9-10C, dull, damp & miserable.
(The weather that is, not Penzance)


www.easterling.freeserve.co.uk/
www.webcottages.co.uk/turnstonecottage

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

Bonos Ego wrote in
:

The areas coloured blue does not tell me whether the temperature is
-1c or -10c.

Also, Fog appears the same colour as Snow. On the old graphics they
had FOG in capital letters on the map, which clearly tells the viewer
there will be FOG, and not Snow.
snip

I agree. As I said, I also think the graphics are poor in many regards. I
was really responding to the "BBC's GW agenda" comment. I would *far*
prefer to see a return to the old temperature gradient maps - though
preferably done a lot better than the truly dreadful sea temperature ones
on the BBC website!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.

BBC's use of Finishing Numbers instead of Overnight Min Temps
 

Bonos Ego wrote in news:66700445-e4b5-4f03-af7c-
:

I know, I'm just playing with numbers to make a point that most people
do not live in the major cities listed above.
snip

No, but Brian Wakem said "*towns and* cities" (my emphasis). Again, I agree
that the current graphics are poor, but to be honest I rather took that bit
as read!

--
Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.