On 13 Dec, 16:06, Ian wrote:
Please tell me you are not supposed to record this as a rain day if
you do record 0.2mm, otherwise I've been cocking up for 30 yrs!!

I do include it Ian, in Met O returns and all other statistical
outlets.

In the Met Office return, we are simply asked to total days with 0.2mm
or more.

However, after over 20 years of sending data to the Met O, Ken taught
me something I didn't know today about the double xx before the 0.2mm
for dew/frost - a trace x is fine, but the other passed me by all this
time.

So don't listen to me, I obviously don't know my observers handbook
off by heart!

Steve Jackson
Bablake Weather Station
Coventry UK
www.bablakeweather.co.uk

"Steve J" wrote :
On 13 Dec, 16:06, Ian wrote:

Please tell me you are not supposed to record this as a rain day if
you do record 0.2mm, otherwise I've been cocking up for 30 yrs!!

I do include it Ian, in Met O returns and all other statistical
outlets.

In the Met Office return, we are simply asked to total days with 0.2mm
or more.

However, after over 20 years of sending data to the Met O, Ken taught
me something I didn't know today about the double xx before the 0.2mm
for dew/frost - a trace x is fine, but the other passed me by all this
time.

Unfortunately, the new automated system of submitting climate
returns to the Met Office, known as OWL, is not able to
differentiate between 0.2mm from rain and 0.2mm from other
hydrometeors, so this useful distinction is now more-or-less at
an end.

In my own log book I still note such events as (0.2)w for dew,
(0.2)x for hoar or rime, (0.2)fe for wet fog (where the letter
after the bracket is a subscript), as I always have done.

Philip

"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message
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"Steve J" wrote :
On 13 Dec, 16:06, Ian wrote:

Please tell me you are not supposed to record this as a rain day if
you do record 0.2mm, otherwise I've been cocking up for 30 yrs!!

I do include it Ian, in Met O returns and all other statistical
outlets.

In the Met Office return, we are simply asked to total days with 0.2mm
or more.

However, after over 20 years of sending data to the Met O, Ken taught
me something I didn't know today about the double xx before the 0.2mm
for dew/frost - a trace x is fine, but the other passed me by all this
time.

Unfortunately, the new automated system of submitting climate
returns to the Met Office, known as OWL, is not able to
differentiate between 0.2mm from rain and 0.2mm from other
hydrometeors, so this useful distinction is now more-or-less at
an end.


In 30 years I predict most of meteorology will be automated - from observing to
forecasting. There will still be research of course and probably a human still
in the forecasting loop for severe weather watches, even presentation could be
automated with the rapid advances in robot technology. And ... before anybody
comes back at me and points out present deficiences, remember that 30 years is
an awful long time for technological development. I expect to be dead in 30
years too.

Happy days :-)

Will
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I expect to be dead in 30 years too.

Blimey Will. Not looking forward to a long retirement then.

Methinks I should be around in 30 years, and going by pensions and the like,
I'll probably still be working!

Currently at 20:25, 5.5C, RH 81%, DP 2.3C, 1038.1 mb (R), Wind 5 mph ESE.
________________
Nick G
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
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I expect to be dead in 30 years too.

Blimey Will. Not looking forward to a long retirement then.

Methinks I should be around in 30 years, and going by pensions and the like,
I'll probably still be working!


Just being sort of realistic Nick.

I'm 55 now and I retire fully at 60. If I die, say at 84, then that will be 24
years, over a quarter of my life, doing what I want to do, not what someone else
wants me to do. If I live longer than 84 and stay healthy then so be it. 84 will
be a good innings by anyone's standards. Does anyone on this group admit to
being over 84?

Will
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On 13 Dec, 19:05, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote:
In my own log book I still note such events as (0.2)w for dew,
(0.2)x for hoar or rime, (0.2)fe for wet fog (where the letter
after the bracket is a subscript), as I always have done.

Thanks Philip (Norman & Steve). For the sake of 30 years continuity I
think
I'll continue to add the 0.2mm to my monthly rainfall total along with
a note
in my log, but not include it as a rain day, as 0.2mm from dew/fog etc
is
a rare 2 or 3 times a year event for me. It seems a pity the OWL
system
can not differentiate between rain and dew etc. In the extreme you
could
have a rain free August with 10 very heavy overnight dews of 0.2mm
and you would record 10 rain days for the month, if I follow Philip
correctly. For all of it's benefits, automation seems far from
perfect

Ian,

Raunds, East Northants. 63m amsl. NGR SP9972

Will Hand wrote:
"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...
I expect to be dead in 30 years too.
Blimey Will. Not looking forward to a long retirement then.

Methinks I should be around in 30 years, and going by pensions and the like,
I'll probably still be working!


Just being sort of realistic Nick.

I'm 55 now and I retire fully at 60. If I die, say at 84, then that will be 24
years, over a quarter of my life, doing what I want to do, not what someone else
wants me to do. If I live longer than 84 and stay healthy then so be it. 84 will
be a good innings by anyone's standards. Does anyone on this group admit to
being over 84?

Will
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I'm 92 in Martian years ;-)

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

Will Hand wrote:
I'm 55 now and I retire fully at 60. If I die, say at 84, then that will be 24
years, over a quarter of my life, doing what I want to do, not what someone else
wants me to do. If I live longer than 84 and stay healthy then so be it. 84 will
be a good innings by anyone's standards. Does anyone on this group admit to
being over 84?

But will you still be playing skittles when you are 83?

You might just have to change your technique as the years pass by!

--
Mike LONGWORTH, Yateley, Hampshire, UK

"Mike LONGWORTH" wrote in message
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Will Hand wrote:
I'm 55 now and I retire fully at 60. If I die, say at 84, then that will be
24
years, over a quarter of my life, doing what I want to do, not what someone
else
wants me to do. If I live longer than 84 and stay healthy then so be it. 84
will
be a good innings by anyone's standards. Does anyone on this group admit to
being over 84?

But will you still be playing skittles when you are 83?

You might just have to change your technique as the years pass by!


LOL

Hi Mike, we have the Turkey Shoot tonight (team killer), I'm still throwing
myself down onto the alley as I release the ball but not quite as hard now as a
concession to age. I hope to continue for as long as possible as well as hill
walking, sailing, badminton, DIY, gardening etc.

I'll send you the average update next week.

You're not doing so bad yourself either old man :-)

ATB

Will
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Will Hand wrote:


Hi Mike, we have the Turkey Shoot tonight (team killer), I'm still throwing
myself down onto the alley as I release the ball but not quite as hard now as a
concession to age. I hope to continue for as long as possible as well as hill
walking, sailing, badminton, DIY, gardening etc.

I'll send you the average update next week.

You're not doing so bad yourself either old man :-)

ATB

Will
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Someone told me Anne Whitcombe was moving to Hayter, better get some
stronger tablets Will :-)
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Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net