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On Jul 5, 4:00*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message ... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7454388.stm As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www..metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul |
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On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 5, 4:00*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message .... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc..co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance |
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On Jul 5, 5:08*pm, Graham Easterling
wrote: On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 4:00*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message .... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like I say, I think we'll escape, but there could be problems as the strongest winds transfer East, where they will become onshore. Paul |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:08:10 -0700 (PDT), Graham Easterling
wrote: Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan),... That was 'interesting'...at least, for me. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland. Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather |
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On Jul 5, 5:31*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 5, 5:08*pm, Graham Easterling wrote: On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 4:00*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news..bbc.co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like I say, I think we'll escape, but there could be problems as the strongest winds transfer East, where they will become onshore. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Escaped here. The tide is high (sounds like a line from a song), but the South-Westerly is flattening the waves and not adding to their height. There's a good flow coming down Dawlish Water, but it's not bankfull and the narrow exit is coping, allowing exit of the river water between waves. There's some people watching the high tide (must be tourists, locals wouldn't bother with this!) and a couple of council workmen who will have been dispatched to shift the rubbish bins and to unblock the river exit, under the road, should anything get jammed. It was an appropriate response. One row of sandbags outside my friends' flat, but they won't be needed tonight. That was an appropriate response too! The tide will be falling soon. Dawlish can breathe a sigh of relief! I haven't been to Newton Abbot. The supermarket booze and treat shelves called too loud! Paul |
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On Jul 5, 5:49*pm, Alan White wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:08:10 -0700 (PDT), Graham Easterling wrote: Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan),... That was 'interesting'...at least, for me. -- Alan White Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent. Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland. Webcam and weather:-http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather |
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On Jul 5, 8:42*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 5, 5:31*pm, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 5:08*pm, Graham Easterling wrote: On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 4:00*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like I say, I think we'll escape, but there could be problems as the strongest winds transfer East, where they will become onshore. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Escaped here. The tide is high (sounds like a line from a song), but the South-Westerly is flattening the waves and not adding to their height. There's a good flow coming down Dawlish Water, but it's not bankfull and the narrow exit is coping, allowing exit of the river water between waves. There's some people watching the high tide (must be tourists, locals wouldn't bother with this!) and a couple of council workmen who will have been dispatched to shift the rubbish bins and to unblock the river exit, under the road, should anything get jammed. It was an appropriate response. One row of sandbags outside my friends' flat, but they won't be needed tonight. That was an appropriate response too! The tide will be falling soon. Dawlish can breathe a sigh of relief! I haven't been to Newton Abbot. The supermarket booze and treat shelves called too loud! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We didn't, in fact, escape completely. No flooding, but there was damage to the sea wall. One day, in a monstrous storm which will hit this railway, a big stretch will be completely washed away. One of the most scenic railways in the country, but, perhaps, the most vulnerable. Estimates of the cost of re-routing it under the Haldon Hills are enormous. http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/di...entPK=21045208 Paul |
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Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:42 pm, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 5:31 pm, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 5:08 pm, Graham Easterling wrote: On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 4:00 pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like I say, I think we'll escape, but there could be problems as the strongest winds transfer East, where they will become onshore. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Escaped here. The tide is high (sounds like a line from a song), but the South-Westerly is flattening the waves and not adding to their height. There's a good flow coming down Dawlish Water, but it's not bankfull and the narrow exit is coping, allowing exit of the river water between waves. There's some people watching the high tide (must be tourists, locals wouldn't bother with this!) and a couple of council workmen who will have been dispatched to shift the rubbish bins and to unblock the river exit, under the road, should anything get jammed. It was an appropriate response. One row of sandbags outside my friends' flat, but they won't be needed tonight. That was an appropriate response too! The tide will be falling soon. Dawlish can breathe a sigh of relief! I haven't been to Newton Abbot. The supermarket booze and treat shelves called too loud! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We didn't, in fact, escape completely. No flooding, but there was damage to the sea wall. One day, in a monstrous storm which will hit this railway, a big stretch will be completely washed away. One of the most scenic railways in the country, but, perhaps, the most vulnerable. Estimates of the cost of re-routing it under the Haldon Hills are enormous. http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/di...entPK=21045208 Paul Presumably the contractors would have to re-route the rly by the A38/A380, to get from Exeter to Newton Abbott. Of course if it did happen the rly line from Exeter to Teignmouth would be disused, what network rail spent in building a new line, can be recouped in not repairing the line from Dawlish warren to Teignmouth. -- Joe Egginton Wolverhampton 175m asl |
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On Jul 10, 11:11*am, Joe Egginton wrote:
Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 8:42 pm, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 5:31 pm, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 5:08 pm, Graham Easterling wrote: On 5 Jul, 16:16, Dawlish wrote: On Jul 5, 4:00 pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... snip I'm sure all the review's recommendations will be followed up in due course and the recent establishment of the 24/7 "Wet Bench" in the Operations Centre, prior the reports release, will further help. BBC report on this from Junehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7453522.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/... As before, keep the feedback/suggestions coming tohttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/contact/contact.html In the mean time you might find the warnings panel here helpfulhttp://www.metbrief.com/obs.html Jon. Probably the worst weather of the afternoon so far. Driving rain and a force 6, gusting force 7/8 Southerly. Nothing severe, either in rainfall, or in wind speeds, but high tide is still 4 hours away. The key to the severity will be in the interaction of weather and sea around high tide. With luck my water butts will be full by the end of the afternoon. Water collection going very well and the water collection vessels have not been blown across the garden (yet). Now all I need is some warm and dry weather to use the collected water! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, wind's not gale force in the Channel, or on exposed headlands (say Culdrose - Force 6, or Portland Force 5) and the tide's not that big, and the swell's not that large, peaked at 15' at Sevenstones (was 15'-18' when we went on that RIB Alan), so can't see why there should be any problems, with the possible exception of trains getting splashed at Dawlish. Graham Penzance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Like I say, I think we'll escape, but there could be problems as the strongest winds transfer East, where they will become onshore. Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Escaped here. The tide is high (sounds like a line from a song), but the South-Westerly is flattening the waves and not adding to their height. There's a good flow coming down Dawlish Water, but it's not bankfull and the narrow exit is coping, allowing exit of the river water between waves. There's some people watching the high tide (must be tourists, locals wouldn't bother with this!) and a couple of council workmen who will have been dispatched to shift the rubbish bins and to unblock the river exit, under the road, should anything get jammed. It was an appropriate response. One row of sandbags outside my friends' flat, but they won't be needed tonight. That was an appropriate response too! The tide will be falling soon. Dawlish can breathe a sigh of relief! I haven't been to Newton Abbot. The supermarket booze and treat shelves called too loud! Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We didn't, in fact, escape completely. No flooding, but there was damage to the sea wall. One day, in a monstrous storm which will hit this railway, a big stretch will be completely washed away. One of the most scenic railways in the country, but, perhaps, the most vulnerable. Estimates of the cost of re-routing it under the Haldon Hills are enormous. http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/di...d=134822&comma.... Paul Presumably the contractors would have to re-route the rly by the A38/A380, to get from Exeter to Newton Abbott. *Of course if it did happen the rly line from Exeter to Teignmouth would be disused, what network rail spent in building a new line, can be recouped in not repairing the line from Dawlish warren to Teignmouth. -- Joe Egginton Wolverhampton 175m asl- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think it is more a case of crossing fimgers and hoping the constant repairs are enough, Joe. this report from 2006 talks a little bit about it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5099454.stm When I read the rail minister saying; "Sea defences were not due to fail in the "foreseeable future", I just know there are unfavourable costs involved. The line's future has nothing to do with what may happen with Global Warning and everything to do with whether a 1 in 200 year storm will occur in the near future it's a matter of risk. I'm sure the minister knows that the odds of it being washed away while this government is in power are low.....but we may be unlucky enough for him toregret that comment! FWIW I think the option of constant repair is the best one, even though it is the most expensive railway line in the country, mile, for mile, to repair. Paul |
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