I'm of the same opinion, Nick, but the post was in the context of
fictional characters and who played them, was it not? Anyway, on that
basis why make a comment about Summer of 2008 which itself was practically
fictituous in the context of what we hope a summer will be!!! ;-)

(what a way to go off-topic!)

True. I was only trying to be tongue-in-cheek and all that malarkey but
electronic communication etc can be difficult to get the humour/irony etc
across without being misunderstood/misinterpreted. I suppose that's why they
invented emoticons, but I never got used to those.

Aye, off topic!!

The end.

11 dry consecutive days here. No grass or air frost as yet though last night
came close with a grass min of 2.2°C.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

True. I was only trying to be tongue-in-cheek and all that malarkey but
electronic communication etc can be difficult to get the humour/irony etc
across without being misunderstood/misinterpreted. I suppose that's why
they
invented emoticons, but I never got used to those.

;-) Indeed!!! Mine were tongue-in-whiskey glass (lovely Tullamore Dew Irish)
but I know what you mean!!

....all change weatherwise this coming Saturday night / Sunday! I have a
wedding to go to on Saturday and I reckon the couple are very lucky given
what's coming...

The first notable Autumn storm cometh...

wrote:

On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy

In article ,
says...
Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.


Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

As for me, I'm not bothered a toss by such casting. Indeed, if Bill
Sykes had been cast to a Jamaican rastafarian and Fagin and the rest of
his gang as Pakistani's and Nancy and Oliver and Rose and all the other
goodies were cast to well loved upstanding white people, I would have
found the resulting furore to be quite entertaining.

Better still, Oliver is good old fashioned English white, Rose is
Nigerian and Monks is Chinese.

--
Alan LeHun

On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

....
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

*"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified..
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity
they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing
view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry
to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the
other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the
BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to
pay for Britains Colonial Past. Personally I find it patronising and
at worst dangerous.

Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf
thrashing angst to report on any climate news that contradict the
doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC
and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by
ideology.

Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or
do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?

On Oct 17, 7:10*pm, "jcw999" wrote:
"John Hall" wrote in message

...

Didn't Ben Kingsley play Gandhi? I must have forgotten the ensuing
riots.
--
John Hall

Morgan Freeman as God!?? (Bruce Almightly)
Alanis Morissette as God!?? (Dogma)
George Burns as God!?? (Oh God!)
Not to mention...Joe *******i, Dawlish, Weatherlawyer.....and then to top it
all...the months of June/July/August acting as Summer 2008!!??

It's mad, I tell ya, mad...!

I have no problem with Morgan Freeman playing God as he is a fine
actor and God althougfh a fictional character has no known race.
However 19th century London...........come on that's totally non
representitive of a period drama, I see that the black actress martha
jones has been cast in the new BBC production of Little Dorrit. Now as
historical context and accuracy now not being importatnt on certain
occassions, maybe the BBC will take this opporunity to introduce a
homosexual moblie phone saleman into this wonderful Dickens period
peice.

On Oct 17, 6:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:31*pm, Graham Easterling
wrote:

The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes
that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster.

Try telling that to the Polar Bears!

Graham
Penzance

Nah. What they'll do is adapt. They'll take to sunning themselves in
the summer, outside the Macdonalds in Churchill and feeding on the
leftovers.

Foxes in London just love fast food.

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:19:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

*"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity
they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing
view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry
to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the
other way round

In what way is Nancy obviously white? You appear to have a major
hang-up about the colour of a person's skin.

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:06:34 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:

In article ,
says...
Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.


Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

On Oct 18, 11:36*am, Paul C wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:06:34 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article ,
says...
Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.

Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

And they were all Dickens characters-remarkable.