In article ,
says...
Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.


Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company
with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these
immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I
expected a yes.

I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before
about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the
figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England.

--
Alan LeHun

On Oct 18, 8:58 am, Graham P Davis wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20 am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
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It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

I object to the use of the name Nancy. Not PC or true.

On Oct 18, 11:19 am, wrote:
On Oct 18, 8:58 am, Graham P Davis wrote:



wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20 am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity
they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing
view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry
to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the
other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the
BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to
pay for Britains Colonial Past. Personally I find it patronising and
at worst dangerous.

Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf
thrashing angst to report on any climate news that contradict the
doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC
and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by
ideology.

Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or
do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?

Ah Lawrence, if only you could be convinced that speaking that way of
US politicians is also a viable pastime for the astute...

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:47:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Oct 18, 11:36*am, Paul C wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:06:34 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article ,
says...
Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.

Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

And they were all Dickens characters-remarkable.

Doh!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:

In article ,
says...
Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.


Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company
with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these
immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I
expected a yes.

I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before
about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the
figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England.


"Following the end of hostilities at the conclusions of the Seven
Years War in 1763 and the American War in 1783, a large number of
black men and women from Africa, the Caribbean and North America
settled in London. By the last quarter of the eighteenth century the
black population of London is estimated to have been between 5,000 and
10,000."
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/stati...-of-london.jsp

On Oct 18, 11:56*am, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article ,
says...

Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company
with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these
immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I
expected a yes.

I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before
about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the
figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England.

--
Alan LeHun

The other issue was that as slavery was replaced with
industrialistation the the actuall presence of black people fell in
London the only other enclaves were communities near the dock areas
with Canning Town being mentioned.

I'm not having a go at 'any group people ' per se being represented if
its historically and socially in context. I was merely illustrating
that the BBc are 'ncreasingly 'making it up' to salve their guilty
conciences, however revising history is not the way to do it. Further
to that all this was only to underline how the BBc discard the
climate news that doesn't suit their agenda.

On Oct 18, 12:12*pm, Paul C wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article ,
says...
Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838?

Erm. Yes.

By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company
with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these
immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I
expected a yes.

I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before
about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the
figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England.

"Following the end of hostilities at the conclusions of the Seven
Years War in 1763 and the American War in 1783, a large number of
black men and women from Africa, the Caribbean and North America
settled in London. By the last quarter of the eighteenth century the
black population of London is estimated to have been between 5,000 and
10,000."http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static/Population-history-of-london.jsp- Hide quoted text -

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The BBC have obviously seized thse numbers to allow them to slave
their guilt. I would have thought though that any black community
living in London (apparently Canning town) would have been very much
isolated and not part of the mainstream fabric of London life. I
believe the population of London at that time was two and a half
million versus a dubious ten thousand.

My only point is that the BBC distort reality to create the world into
the image of the Hamptead,Islington and increasingly Dulwich set.

On Oct 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote:





wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

....
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

*"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity
they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing
view. *In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry
to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the
other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the
BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to
pay for Britains Colonial Past. *Personally I find it patronising and
at worst dangerous.

Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf
thrashing angst to report *on any climate news that contradict the
doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC
and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by
ideology.

Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or
do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wrong newsgroup, Lawrence, as usual. You could always join the
Fox News Appreciation Society if you want to be surrounded by like
minds.

Tudor Hughes

On Oct 18, 3:44*pm, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Oct 18, 11:19*am, wrote:





On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote:

wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:

wrote:
http://wattsupwiththat.com

...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC?

Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver
Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every
time.
---------------------
It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the
audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and
don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel
"Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....."
Dave

No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the
job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how
about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would
cause riots amongst the Guardinista's .

As for

*"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the
poor white girl, Nancy"

Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the
backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival..

You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to
clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy
was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.
So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white
person?

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity
they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing
view. *In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry
to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the
other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the
BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to
pay for Britains Colonial Past. *Personally I find it patronising and
at worst dangerous.

Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf
thrashing angst to report *on any climate news that contradict the
doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC
and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by
ideology.

Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or
do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

* * Wrong newsgroup, Lawrence, as usual. * You could always join the
Fox News Appreciation Society if you want to be surrounded by like
minds.

Tudor Hughes- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Had a drink with Nicky last night, his dad's 90th. He reckons your
Trombone playing has improved exponentially.

In article ,
Paul C writes:
By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up
to 10,000 black people in London.

I'm always a little suspicious when people say "up to". Do you happen to
know what the best estimate of the number is?
--
John Hall
"If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come
sit next to me."
Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)