On 19 Oct, 14:22, wrote:


Well Graham all I know is that during the seventies the Daily
Telegraph Sunday supplement ran a rather large feature on the coming
ice age, as did the tabloid Sunday Mirror (Pictorial in the
seventies). In fact the Pictorial devoted the front page and
subsequent pages to the headlines *"New Ice Age on its way" or
something like that. *

[...]
The difference is this: the media in those times
hadn't the slightest interest in climate change so that story was one
of a real tangible anxiety this was underlined by the fact *the left
never had the slightest *interest in climate as they still
parasitically lived of the great beast that was the trade Union
movement. You also have to consider that it wasn't felt that humans
had any bearing on the climate whatsoever.


In the 1970s? I don't think that's true. For example, John Mason
informed the Royal Society in 1978 that of all climate variables, the
effect of rapid increase in greenhouses gases was 'by far the
largest'; and the disparate strands of climate research through the
1970s (and indeed '60s) culminated in 1979 with the panel convened by
the U.S. National Research Council at Woods Hole under Jule Charney.
'We estimate the most probable global warming for a doubling of CO2 to
be near 3 degrees C, with a probable error of plus or minus 1.5
degrees.' [Jule Charney, 'Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific
Assessment' (1979)]

Nor is the general point true that there was any sort of consensus on
'global cooling' during the 1970s. There is an excellent paper in
September's 'Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society' that
lays this argument to rest: 'The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling
Scientific Consensus' [Thomas C. Peterson, William M. Connolley, and
John Fleck]. In a nutshell, the authors found that of relevant papers
published from 1965 to 1979, 44 indicated 'warming' and just seven
'cooling', while 20 were 'neutral'.

And I thought that the English actor Sophie Okonedo (fittingly, for
the part, born in London's East End) was excellent at portraying the
role of Nancy. Just how dark does a person's skin have to be to
disqualify them from Dickens? Moreover, considering Dickens, as far as
I know, did not mention her religion in 'Oliver Twist', should the
fact that she is Jewish also have excluded her from consideration?

Definitely appears to be more ice in the Arctic this year compared to
last year.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/...&sd=17&sy=2008

In article b41c77af-d93f-4d96-8f9c-
,
says...
I know, did not mention her religion in 'Oliver Twist', should the
fact that she is Jewish also have excluded her from consideration?


Fagin was a jew, but he was a baddie...

--
Alan LeHun

On Oct 19, 5:31*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On 19 Oct, 14:22, wrote:



Well Graham all I know is that during the seventies the Daily
Telegraph Sunday supplement ran a rather large feature on the coming
ice age, as did the tabloid Sunday Mirror (Pictorial in the
seventies). In fact the Pictorial devoted the front page and
subsequent pages to the headlines *"New Ice Age on its way" or
something like that. *

[...]

The difference is this: the media in those times
hadn't the slightest interest in climate change so that story was one
of a real tangible anxiety this was underlined by the fact *the left
never had the slightest *interest in climate as they still
parasitically lived of the great beast that was the trade Union
movement. You also have to consider that it wasn't felt that humans
had any bearing on the climate whatsoever.

In the 1970s? I don't think that's true. For example, John Mason
informed the Royal Society in 1978 that of all climate variables, the
effect of rapid increase in greenhouses gases was 'by far the
largest'; and the disparate strands of climate research through the
1970s (and indeed '60s) culminated in 1979 with the panel convened by
the U.S. National Research Council at Woods Hole under Jule Charney.
'We estimate the most probable global warming for a doubling of CO2 to
be near 3 degrees C, with a probable error of plus or minus 1.5
degrees.' [Jule Charney, 'Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific
Assessment' (1979)]

Nor is the general point true that there was any sort of consensus on
'global cooling' during the 1970s. There is an excellent paper in
September's 'Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society' that
lays this argument to rest: 'The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling
Scientific Consensus' [Thomas C. Peterson, William M. Connolley, and
John Fleck]. In a nutshell, the authors found that of relevant papers
published from 1965 to 1979, 44 indicated 'warming' and just seven
'cooling', while 20 were 'neutral'.

And I thought that the English actor Sophie Okonedo (fittingly, for
the part, born in London's East End) was excellent at portraying the
role of Nancy. Just how dark does a person's skin have to be to
disqualify them from Dickens? Moreover, considering Dickens, as far as
I know, did not mention her religion in 'Oliver Twist', should the
fact that she is Jewish also have excluded her from consideration?

On Oct 19, 5:31*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:


Nor is the general point true that there was any sort of consensus on
'global cooling' during the 1970s. There is an excellent paper in
September's 'Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society' that
lays this argument to rest: 'The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling
Scientific Consensus' [Thomas C. Peterson, William M. Connolley, and
John Fleck]. In a nutshell, the authors found that of relevant papers
published from 1965 to 1979, 44 indicated 'warming' and just seven
'cooling', while 20 were 'neutral'.


The idea that winters in the UK could get colder persisted for some
time after 1979. In the May 1987 edition of "Weather" is a letter
suggesting that cold winters in SE England were now the norm after the
cold of 1985,6 and 7. There are thoughts along these lines elsewhere
in that issue too. It seems to illustrate the point that long-term
predictions are often excessively influenced by recent events, an all-
too-human reaction. There have been few seriously cold spells of any
length in SE England since 1987. February 1991 had a very cold spell
but it didn't last long.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

On Oct 19, 5:31*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On 19 Oct, 14:22, wrote:



Well Graham all I know is that during the seventies the Daily
Telegraph Sunday supplement ran a rather large feature on the coming
ice age, as did the tabloid Sunday Mirror (Pictorial in the
seventies). In fact the Pictorial devoted the front page and
subsequent pages to the headlines *"New Ice Age on its way" or
something like that. *

[...]

The difference is this: the media in those times
hadn't the slightest interest in climate change so that story was one
of a real tangible anxiety this was underlined by the fact *the left
never had the slightest *interest in climate as they still
parasitically lived of the great beast that was the trade Union
movement. You also have to consider that it wasn't felt that humans
had any bearing on the climate whatsoever.

In the 1970s? I don't think that's true. For example, John Mason
informed the Royal Society in 1978 that of all climate variables, the
effect of rapid increase in greenhouses gases was 'by far the
largest'; and the disparate strands of climate research through the
1970s (and indeed '60s) culminated in 1979 with the panel convened by
the U.S. National Research Council at Woods Hole under Jule Charney.
'We estimate the most probable global warming for a doubling of CO2 to
be near 3 degrees C, with a probable error of plus or minus 1.5
degrees.' [Jule Charney, 'Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific
Assessment' (1979)]

Nor is the general point true that there was any sort of consensus on
'global cooling' during the 1970s. There is an excellent paper in
September's 'Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society' that
lays this argument to rest: 'The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling
Scientific Consensus' [Thomas C. Peterson, William M. Connolley, and
John Fleck]. In a nutshell, the authors found that of relevant papers
published from 1965 to 1979, 44 indicated 'warming' and just seven
'cooling', while 20 were 'neutral'.

And I thought that the English actor Sophie Okonedo (fittingly, for
the part, born in London's East End) was excellent at portraying the
role of Nancy. Just how dark does a person's skin have to be to
disqualify them from Dickens? Moreover, considering Dickens, as far as
I know, did not mention her religion in 'Oliver Twist', should the
fact that she is Jewish also have excluded her from consideration?

How does that explain the Subday Mirror and Sunday Telegaph artices
and Nigel Calders book?

The post war cooling was very obvious right through the sixties only
ten years earlier Einstein was writing a glowing preface to Charles
Hapgoods apparent destruction of the theory of plate tectonics. I
think people forget how things rapidly change, Cooling wasn't a theory
it actually was a concern that had veen picked up by a less distorted
media than today. Again people want to revise history to suit their
view of the world.

As for Dickens: Would you think it correct if a period drama had white
tribesmen amongst the Ibo people of west africa ? Of course not. TYhe
BBC are revising the accuracy of historic events to atone for the sins
of the slave trade. As I said in another post a young Blacl actress
iis to star in a new production of little dorrit.

Now these things on their own don't mean much but when put into the
context og the BBC guilt propaganda machine- it does.

On Oct 19, 2:22*pm, wrote:
On Oct 19, 1:23 pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Oct 19, 11:51 am, wrote:

On Oct 19, 10:49 am, Graham P Davis wrote:

wrote:


You see the BBC in particular believes we're are at the edge of the
abyss peering down into the terrible darkness, so you'd think any news
that delays impending disaster would be welcomed-yet its not. Odd
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Maybe you think the BBC believes we are on the edge of an abyss. OK to
think that, of course. Whether the executives at the Beeb actually
believe that is a different matter.

On Oct 19, 5:56*pm, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article b41c77af-d93f-4d96-8f9c-
,
says...

I know, did not mention her religion in 'Oliver Twist', should the
fact that she is Jewish also have excluded her from consideration?

Fagin was a jew, but he was a baddie...

--
Alan LeHun

Bill Sykes was far worse- you can't trust those Colombians.

wrote:
I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian,
Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist;
now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are
all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea
ice.
I'm not too sure if Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the
ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that
are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the
disaster is postponed.

The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is
rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...till-climbing/

Just thought I'd make this point.

This could have been a good debate about data sources and the crap
information that exists in cyber space instead all we got was some tart
rattling on about the BBC, pointless and off topic.

I personally believe all of this data that global warming doesn't exist,
that Close encounters is a documentary, that the MFI destroyed the twin
towers, and that Diana was murdered by Interflora, I'm off to read some
more out of there stories in the Observer.

Now is it me or has warming in the UK been placed temporarily on hold?

I've been analysing the CET temperature series, and produced a revised
rolling 12 month annual temperature series, and the warming appears to
have been placed on hold since May 2007.

Links to graphs below.

Rolling 12 month CET series since 1970
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...o/e68300ad.jpg

Rolling 12 month CET series since 2000
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...o/e3942abe.jpg

PS, I think we will have a cold Christmas this year, particularly in
Northern Britain, what to others think?