That newspaper that houses the magnificent Christopher Booker has gone
'native'

Today they run a story about the 'Catlin Three', Apparently Pen Hadow
claims he drilled 20 odd drillings per day whilst pulling all that
gear for 73 day across thin ice for at 3.7 miles per day? How did he
find the energy and time?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-thin-ice.html

Of course he could have saved himself the effort as the Alfred Wegener
Institute
had just done all the scientific work from a WWII era workhorse
Douglas DC-3 airplane equipped with skis, and towing an airborne
sounder twenty meters above the ice surface. It took four weeks to
complete and guess what they found out the ice was far thicker than
expected and far thicker then Pen Hadow measured.
http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_rele...ash=ff957775e4

Mind you the Catlin expedition back ed by the BBC and Guardian and
sponsered by The Catlin Group Limited of course had an agenda to begin
with, that being that the Arctic ice was rapidly thinning and
disappearing, but even though Hadow claims that to be the case but no
one told the Alfred Wegener Institute how sort of....snowed on their
parade. Never mind never let facts get in the way of an ideology

wrote in message
...
That newspaper that houses the magnificent Christopher Booker has gone
'native'

Today they run a story about the 'Catlin Three', Apparently Pen Hadow
claims he drilled 20 odd drillings per day whilst pulling all that
gear for 73 day across thin ice for at 3.7 miles per day? How did he
find the energy and time?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-thin-ice.html

Of course he could have saved himself the effort as the Alfred Wegener
Institute
had just done all the scientific work from a WWII era workhorse
Douglas DC-3 airplane equipped with skis, and towing an airborne
sounder twenty meters above the ice surface. It took four weeks to
complete and guess what they found out the ice was far thicker than
expected and far thicker then Pen Hadow measured.
http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_rele...ash=ff957775e4

'Somewhat thicker than during the last two years' not 'far thicker than
expected'.
Tut tut Lawence, putting a spin on something, what you are always accusing
global warming supporters of doing!

Mind you the Catlin expedition back ed by the BBC and Guardian and
sponsered by The Catlin Group Limited of course had an agenda to begin
with, that being that the Arctic ice was rapidly thinning and
disappearing, but even though Hadow claims that to be the case but no
one told the Alfred Wegener Institute how sort of....snowed on their
parade. Never mind never let facts get in the way of an ideology

So basically the Catlin expedition falsified their data in order to come
up with the 'correct' conclusions, is that what you are saying?

Or could it simply be that different methods of collecting data can
show different results, were exactly the same areas monitored,
and at the same time?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

in 51059 20090515 012538 wrote:
That newspaper that houses the magnificent Christopher Booker has gone
'native'

Today they run a story about the 'Catlin Three', Apparently Pen Hadow
claims he drilled 20 odd drillings per day whilst pulling all that
gear for 73 day across thin ice for at 3.7 miles per day? How did he
find the energy and time?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-thin-ice.html

Of course he could have saved himself the effort as the Alfred Wegener
Institute
had just done all the scientific work from a WWII era workhorse
Douglas DC-3 airplane equipped with skis, and towing an airborne
sounder twenty meters above the ice surface. It took four weeks to
complete and guess what they found out the ice was far thicker than
expected and far thicker then Pen Hadow measured.
http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_rele...ash=ff957775e4

Mind you the Catlin expedition back ed by the BBC and Guardian and
sponsered by The Catlin Group Limited of course had an agenda to begin
with, that being that the Arctic ice was rapidly thinning and
disappearing, but even though Hadow claims that to be the case but no
one told the Alfred Wegener Institute how sort of....snowed on their
parade. Never mind never let facts get in the way of an ideology

You are Ed Conrad AICMFP.

Col wrote:


wrote in message
...
That newspaper that houses the magnificent Christopher Booker has gone
'native'

Today they run a story about the 'Catlin Three', Apparently Pen Hadow
claims he drilled 20 odd drillings per day whilst pulling all that
gear for 73 day across thin ice for at 3.7 miles per day? How did he
find the energy and time?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-thin-ice.html

Of course he could have saved himself the effort as the Alfred Wegener
Institute
had just done all the scientific work from a WWII era workhorse
Douglas DC-3 airplane equipped with skis, and towing an airborne
sounder twenty meters above the ice surface. It took four weeks to
complete and guess what they found out the ice was far thicker than
expected and far thicker then Pen Hadow measured.

http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_rele...ash=ff957775e4

'Somewhat thicker than during the last two years' not 'far thicker than
expected'.
Tut tut Lawence, putting a spin on something, what you are always accusing
global warming supporters of doing!


The ice certainly covers a greater area that any of the past 7 years at
least:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/...Ice_Extent.png


--
Brian Wakem

Brian Wakem wrote:

The ice certainly covers a greater area that any of the past 7 years at
least:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/...Ice_Extent.png

But it also consists of much less old ice than usual:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/040609.html

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy
"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

In message , Graham P Davis
writes
Brian Wakem wrote:

The ice certainly covers a greater area that any of the past 7 years at
least:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/...Ice_Extent.png

But it also consists of much less old ice than usual:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/040609.html


I also think that there will be a lead opening up from the N Atlantic
splitting the ice around the N pole.
James
--
James Brown

"Col" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
That newspaper that houses the magnificent Christopher Booker has gone
'native'

Today they run a story about the 'Catlin Three', Apparently Pen Hadow
claims he drilled 20 odd drillings per day whilst pulling all that
gear for 73 day across thin ice for at 3.7 miles per day? How did he
find the energy and time?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...-thin-ice.html

Of course he could have saved himself the effort as the Alfred Wegener
Institute
had just done all the scientific work from a WWII era workhorse
Douglas DC-3 airplane equipped with skis, and towing an airborne
sounder twenty meters above the ice surface. It took four weeks to
complete and guess what they found out the ice was far thicker than
expected and far thicker then Pen Hadow measured.
http://www.awi.de/en/news/press_rele...ash=ff957775e4

'Somewhat thicker than during the last two years' not 'far thicker than
expected'.
Tut tut Lawence, putting a spin on something, what you are always accusing
global warming supporters of doing!

Mind you the Catlin expedition back ed by the BBC and Guardian and
sponsered by The Catlin Group Limited of course had an agenda to begin
with, that being that the Arctic ice was rapidly thinning and
disappearing, but even though Hadow claims that to be the case but no
one told the Alfred Wegener Institute how sort of....snowed on their
parade. Never mind never let facts get in the way of an ideology

So basically the Catlin expedition falsified their data in order to come
up with the 'correct' conclusions, is that what you are saying?

Or could it simply be that different methods of collecting data can
show different results, were exactly the same areas monitored,
and at the same time?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

It was a whingy whiney escapade nothing else, the science worth worthless.

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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It was a whingy whiney escapade nothing else, the science worth worthless.

Oh, we're an expert now on what constitutes good and bad practice
with respect to the scientific study of ice thickness in the arctic?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Brian Wakem" wrote in message
...
Col wrote:




The ice certainly covers a greater area that any of the past 7 years at
least:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/...Ice_Extent.png

Yes, I've been following that with interest ever since Lawence first posted
the link with great excitement when the red line first moved abouve
the others
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Col" wrote in message
...

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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It was a whingy whiney escapade nothing else, the science worth
worthless.

Oh, we're an expert now on what constitutes good and bad practice
with respect to the scientific study of ice thickness in the arctic?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl


It was all pure showboating,they were so bloody useless even their equipment
stopped working due to the conditions being far harsher than they'd
considered. Nope the script was written long before they went on their
half-arsed journey. They were determined to find multi- leads of ice and bob
about in the arctic ocean like lemons, in fact they found one.
The arctic ice is doing very well thank you not that those environmental
Jesuits at the BBC and their tofu terrorists the Guardianista's would
admit to

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm