On Aug 7, 7:44*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Aug 7, 1:02*am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:





"Graham P Davis" wrote in ...

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

You two are typical greenies. You're not happy unless there's some
fictional disaster in the offing.

You silly little man. Well I'm quite big actually 6' and very strong

here's nothing fictional about AGW and what's

happening in the Arctic. I used to produce ice charts forty years ago and
the current Arctic situation is lighter than any year I remember from the
60s and early 70s - and there's still more than a month's melting to go.

I'm not denying your experience but you are rather rude without any humour
so here goes.

And *you silly old man: No one has ever denied 20th century warming albeit
hansens slant on the past temps and dodgy land based current measurements.
The real issues *are this: *are humans the cause. Why will a slightly warmer
earth be worse. The measures to stop us warming the earth to a temperature
that may be more beneficial would cost trillions. And finally the past ten
years despite Co2 rising has shown no discernible increase in temperatures.
By the way that Arctic and Antarctic ice is lookin' pretty good sunshine

.

What exactly has the state of Antactic ice got do with GW, Lawrence?

Now do I remember asking you that before and getting a nil reply.
However, you are still using it to back your silly ideas about the
globe not warming. No matter how much you are shown that it has and
still is, you do the typical denialist response and keep repeating the
same iodiocy about the ice "looking good" - when every Arctic
scientist worth his, or her, salt tells you is patently isn't.

Put floating ice in water that is warming slowly and over time and
notwithstanding short term synoptics, or ice movement, or short-term
changes in ocean currents and it melts. Now do us all a favour and
actually look at this graph and the 30 year trend.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....extent.1900-2...

Not linear; not a decrease every year on year; not every season's ice
amount shows the same response BUT every season has declined since
Graham was plotting ice extent in the 60s/70s - or do you view that
graph differently to any normal human being?

Oh - don't forget the question I asked of you in the first sentence of
this post. Remember the; "having to justify", statement that brackets
you and my stalker?- Hide quoted text -

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Wel Lawrence? Still waiting...........

On Aug 8, 12:06*pm, Dawlish wrote:


Wel Lawrence? Still waiting...........

On RealClimate the moderator has just stated:
Basta. From now on, all posts simply repeating points made a dozen
times before get deleted. - gavin

Pity we can't implement that here :-(

Cheers, Alastair.

On Aug 8, 3:38*pm, Alastair wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:06*pm, Dawlish wrote:



Wel Lawrence? Still waiting...........

On RealClimate the moderator has just stated:
Basta. From now on, all posts simply repeating points made a dozen
times before get deleted. - gavin


That's good. I've still got about half-a-dozen left. *))

Lawrence; use what intelligence you have to explain to us all exactly
why you think that the slightly above average (present conditions)
Antarctic sea ice anomaly has something to do with Global Warming
having finished - which is, of course, what you imply when you say;
"the ice is loking (sic) good".

You are always happy to quote from blogs without comment (1), link to
newspapers without comment (2), or write polemics about government/
MetO conspiracies (3), but you always shy away from supporting your
(.....actually, it's usually other people's that you've cribbed)
positions with decent argument.

On Aug 8, 3:38 pm, Alastair wrote:

On RealClimate the moderator has just stated:
Basta. From now on, all posts simply repeating points made a dozen
times before get deleted. - gavin

Pity we can't implement that here :-(

One possible solution is to change this group to
uk.sci.weather.moderated - with very little moderation apart from
blocking these obsessive repetitious posts.

I'm sure those who read u.n.n.c would support the change if our little
problem was explained:-) Now where is my RFD template g?

--
Mike Tullett near Malin Head currently in lovely sunny skies

On Aug 8, 3:40*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Aug 8, 3:38*pm, Alastair wrote:

On Aug 8, 12:06*pm, Dawlish wrote:

Wel Lawrence? Still waiting...........

On RealClimate the moderator has just stated:
Basta. From now on, all posts simply repeating points made a dozen
times before get deleted. - gavin

That's good. I've still got about half-a-dozen left. *))

Lawrence; use what intelligence you have to explain to us all exactly
why you think that the slightly above average (present conditions)
Antarctic sea ice anomaly has something to do with Global Warming
having finished - which is, of course, what you imply when you say;
"the ice is loking (sic) good".

You are always happy to quote from blogs without comment (1), link to
newspapers without comment (2), or write polemics about government/
MetO conspiracies (3), but you always shy away from supporting your
(.....actually, it's usually other people's that you've cribbed)
positions with decent argument.

BASTA!

On Aug 8, 9:40*pm, Alastair wrote:
On Aug 8, 3:40*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Aug 8, 3:38*pm, Alastair wrote:

On Aug 8, 12:06*pm, Dawlish wrote:

Wel Lawrence? Still waiting...........

On RealClimate the moderator has just stated:
Basta. From now on, all posts simply repeating points made a dozen
times before get deleted. - gavin

That's good. I've still got about half-a-dozen left. *))

Lawrence; use what intelligence you have to explain to us all exactly
why you think that the slightly above average (present conditions)
Antarctic sea ice anomaly has something to do with Global Warming
having finished - which is, of course, what you imply when you say;
"the ice is loking (sic) good".

You are always happy to quote from blogs without comment (1), link to
newspapers without comment (2), or write polemics about government/
MetO conspiracies (3), but you always shy away from supporting your
(.....actually, it's usually other people's that you've cribbed)
positions with decent argument.

BASTA!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just asking Lawrence; still got a fair few to go until the dozen
times.

Next post from the man.........will it be a reply, a 1, 2, 3. or abuse?

On Aug 5, 9:32*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
Latest monthly report from NSIDC:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/080409.html

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy
"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

To update this: from the NSIDC.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Dawlish wrote:
To update this: from the NSIDC.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Paul

It's this bit that scares me:

"In 2007 and 2009 all three patterns have been in play. A clue to the cause
of these unusual conditions comes from the wind flow in the middle
atmosphere. Normally winds flow in a counter-clockwise direction around the
central Arctic Ocean, a flow known as the polar vortex. In the summers of
2007 and 2009 the polar vortex shifted to mostly to the Eurasian side of the
Arctic, allowing higher pressures to develop on the Alaskan side. Scientists
are now studying whether this dipole pattern will become more common in the
future and whether the loss of summer sea ice itself is helping to make this
pattern more frequent."

If I understand correctly, scientists are now studying to see if the
pattern, which leads to unsettled summers experienced here are going to
become more common in the future?

I hope not..... Something Philip Eden commented on last year that we might
be seeing a trend towards more unsettled summers.

I remember reading Lamb's 'The English Climate' and he talked of heating
over Alaska causing the polar vortex to shift towards the European side of
the northern hemisphere leading to cool, wet summers in areas like the
British Isles.

Next summer will be a big clue. There was a previous post about unsettled,
wet and cyclonic summers with 3 in a row occurring only very infrequently
and 4 in a row have not occurred in the last 100 years or so.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

On Aug 19, 7:23*pm, "Nick Gardner"
wrote:
Dawlish wrote:
To update this: from the NSIDC.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html

Paul

It's this bit that scares me:

"In 2007 and 2009 all three patterns have been in play. A clue to the cause
of these unusual conditions comes from the wind flow in the middle
atmosphere. Normally winds flow in a counter-clockwise direction around the
central Arctic Ocean, a flow known as the polar vortex. In the summers of
2007 and 2009 the polar vortex shifted to mostly to the Eurasian side of the
Arctic, allowing higher pressures to develop on the Alaskan side. Scientists
are now studying whether this dipole pattern will become more common in the
future and whether the loss of summer sea ice itself is helping to make this
pattern more frequent."

If I understand correctly, scientists are now studying to see if the
pattern, which leads to unsettled summers experienced here are going to
become more common in the future?

I hope not..... Something Philip Eden commented on last year that we might
be seeing a trend towards more unsettled summers.

I remember reading Lamb's 'The English Climate' and he talked of heating
over Alaska causing the polar vortex to shift towards the European side of
the northern hemisphere leading to cool, wet summers in areas like the
British Isles.

Next summer will be a big clue. There was a previous post about unsettled,
wet and cyclonic summers with 3 in a row occurring only very infrequently
and 4 in a row have not occurred in the last 100 years or so.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amslhttp://www.ottervalley.co.uk

Maybe Nick, but we're ony taking about changes(? - if they are) over a
few years. It could take decades to establish a trend, or to establish
if indeed there has been a change, but I understand your concerns.
With a bit of luck, however, we'll have a BBQ summer in the UK next
year! *)) (maybe we'll have a BBQ winter and the first UK winter 20C,
eh?).

Dawlish wrote:
Maybe Nick, but we're ony taking about changes(? - if they are) over a
few years. It could take decades to establish a trend, or to establish
if indeed there has been a change, but I understand your concerns.
With a bit of luck, however, we'll have a BBQ summer in the UK next
year! *)) (maybe we'll have a BBQ winter and the first UK winter 20C,
eh?).

A 20°C winter's day. Now that would be something.

I've spent time in Lisbon in January when it has been 20°C, it was our
equivalent of tropical maritime air: overcast, grey but warmer. Walking
around in a t-shirt and it feeling quite muggy was a bit of a novelty.
Trouble is with Lisbon in January, it rains so much that everything is
sopping and nothing seems to dry out. Anyway, the next day it was sunny and
much cooler and fresher at 14°C before the next batch of torrential rain
moved in.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk