Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

pressure in berne ******** again

keep talking to yourself

Dawlish wrote:
Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

"Dawlish" wrote in message
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Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

I'd settle for a winter of that set-up.

Keep the heating bills down, save too much disruption to the sporting
calendar or to the roads and would be good not to have to worry about going
out and getting sliced in half by an icy wind. Bit like 1988/89 really!

Boring weather-wise, I know. I don't mind a bit of snow for a couple of
days, but I hate winter generally, so just want to get through it and get to
spring!

Jim, Bournemouth

"Jim Smith" wrote in message
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"Dawlish" wrote in message
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Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

I'd settle for a winter of that set-up.

Keep the heating bills down, save too much disruption to the sporting
calendar or to the roads and would be good not to have to worry about
going out and getting sliced in half by an icy wind. Bit like 1988/89
really!

Boring weather-wise, I know. I don't mind a bit of snow for a couple of
days, but I hate winter generally, so just want to get through it and get
to spring!

Jim, Bournemouth

Amazing how differently people see the seasons. Winter is my favourite
season; log fires, frosty mornings, crunchy snow, penetrating icy winds,
pity about the milder more boring interludes but even they can have their
moments with exciting low pressure developments and wind. Last February was
more like winters used to be like up here, 12 consecutive days of snow on
the ground, drifting snow, 4 days unable to get the car out of the drive,
fantastic deep powder snow to play in and knife-edge situations. The most
dire set up (for me) is very high pressure over the Alps and a boring mild
and dry SW'ly airflow giving endless days of stratocumulus and temperatures
of 9 or 10 degrees. Bring on the polar maritime NW'lies with frequent snow
showers :-)

Each to their own I guess!

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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"Will Hand" wrote in message
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"Jim Smith" wrote in message
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"Dawlish" wrote in message
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Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

I'd settle for a winter of that set-up.

Keep the heating bills down, save too much disruption to the sporting
calendar or to the roads and would be good not to have to worry about
going out and getting sliced in half by an icy wind. Bit like 1988/89
really!

Boring weather-wise, I know. I don't mind a bit of snow for a couple of
days, but I hate winter generally, so just want to get through it and get
to spring!

Jim, Bournemouth

Amazing how differently people see the seasons. Winter is my favourite
season; log fires, frosty mornings, crunchy snow, penetrating icy winds,
pity about the milder more boring interludes but even they can have their
moments with exciting low pressure developments and wind. Last February
was more like winters used to be like up here, 12 consecutive days of snow
on the ground, drifting snow, 4 days unable to get the car out of the
drive, fantastic deep powder snow to play in and knife-edge situations.
The most dire set up (for me) is very high pressure over the Alps and a
boring mild and dry SW'ly airflow giving endless days of stratocumulus and
temperatures of 9 or 10 degrees. Bring on the polar maritime NW'lies with
frequent snow showers :-)

Each to their own I guess!

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Indeed!

I guess you didnt enjoy 1988/9 too much then!

Maybe it is because snow is very rare here, and when it is cold (by our
standards) it is just downright unpleasant!

Obviously a severe spell of weather is very interesting... I guess it's a
toss-up between an interesting winter, and getting through the season
unscathed!

Jim

"Will Hand" wrote in message
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"Jim Smith" wrote in message
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"Dawlish" wrote in message
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Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

I'd settle for a winter of that set-up.

Keep the heating bills down, save too much disruption to the sporting
calendar or to the roads and would be good not to have to worry about
going out and getting sliced in half by an icy wind. Bit like 1988/89
really!

Boring weather-wise, I know. I don't mind a bit of snow for a couple of
days, but I hate winter generally, so just want to get through it and get
to spring!

Jim, Bournemouth

Amazing how differently people see the seasons. Winter is my favourite
season; log fires, frosty mornings, crunchy snow, penetrating icy winds,
pity about the milder more boring interludes but even they can have their
moments with exciting low pressure developments and wind. Last February
was more like winters used to be like up here, 12 consecutive days of snow
on the ground, drifting snow, 4 days unable to get the car out of the
drive, fantastic deep powder snow to play in and knife-edge situations.
The most dire set up (for me) is very high pressure over the Alps and a
boring mild and dry SW'ly airflow giving endless days of stratocumulus and
temperatures of 9 or 10 degrees. Bring on the polar maritime NW'lies with
frequent snow showers :-)

Each to their own I guess!

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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I'm with you Will, winters from the days of yore. Mind you these days will
be 'yore' in the future. Yore choice that's all I can say.

On Nov 4, 10:29*pm, "Jim Smith" wrote:
"Will Hand" wrote in message

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"Jim Smith" wrote in message
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"Dawlish" wrote in message
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Today marked the first appearance, on the gfs, of a fully fledged
European high for quite a while. , so I thought I'd post it to remind
us what one looks like. *))

Only 2 consecutive runs, so still low confidence, but there are hints
of an eastward movement of the Azores high on the 00zECM. See if it is
still there on the gfs and the ECM, at T240, later tomorrow. Nothing
particularly cold on those charts to mid-November (though obviously
colder than last week)............yet!

I'd settle for a winter of that set-up.

Keep the heating bills down, save too much disruption to the sporting
calendar or to the roads and would be good not to have to worry about
going out and getting sliced in half by an icy wind. Bit like 1988/89
really!

Boring weather-wise, I know. I don't mind a bit of snow for a couple of
days, but I hate winter generally, so just want to get through it and get
to spring!

Jim, Bournemouth

Amazing how differently people see the seasons. Winter is my favourite
season; log fires, frosty mornings, crunchy snow, penetrating icy winds,
pity about the milder more boring interludes but even they can have their
moments with exciting low pressure developments and wind. Last February
was more like winters used to be like up here, 12 consecutive days of snow
on the ground, drifting snow, 4 days unable to get the car out of the
drive, fantastic deep powder snow to play in and knife-edge situations.
The most dire set up (for me) is very high pressure over the Alps and a
boring mild and dry SW'ly airflow giving endless days of stratocumulus and
temperatures of 9 or 10 degrees. Bring on the polar maritime NW'lies with
frequent snow showers :-)

Each to their own I guess!

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Indeed!

I guess you didnt enjoy 1988/9 too much then!

Maybe it is because snow is very rare here, and when it is cold (by our
standards) it is just downright unpleasant!
Obviously a severe spell of weather is very interesting... I guess it's a
toss-up between an interesting winter, and getting through the season
unscathed!

Jim- Hide quoted text -

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My views too Jim. I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me! One reason for moving to balmy South Devon was to escape those
awful winter easterlies that used to scythe off the North Sea and make
bad winters in Yorkshire really bad!

Like Will, last winter was pretty good, but for a different reason; we
had no really cold weather - some frosty mornings for a while in
except for the frosts in Nov, which were quite pretty - but we did
have one fantastic evening of snow with 3" covering Dawlish. The snow
lasted for about 2 days. That's great by me, but it was such fun that
first evening! One snowfall is great, but if I had to choose between
an extended period of cold, snowy weather and a European high with
mild SW winds, I'd go for the latter. Most people and businesses
would, IMO. Most Internet weather people wouldn't, for sure.
Fortunately for the UK, very cold winters are rare nowadays and the
likelihood, despite what a few say, is that the frequency of their
occurrence will stay that way.

Discaimer.

That is not to say that a severe winter could not occur - before
someone castigates me in March for saying that cold winters are
impossible in the UK due to AGW. In the first place, I'm not
completely sure about AGW and the person that would come out with that
daft criticism wouldn't have read a word I've written and would
understand even less about weather and its relationship to climate.

In article
,
Dawlish writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!
snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:
In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
* * * * * * like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
* * * * * * its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)

On Nov 5, 10:41*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:





In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
* * * * * * like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
* * * * * * its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)- Hide quoted text -

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Could be Keith. On the gfs, pressure looks as if it could build at 5
days and remain high for a few days, but may begin to fall after T200.
The pressure in Berne (just for my stalker) may rise to 1025mb for a
while, but the high may well not persist. ( - for anyone else, I've
used it as a proxy criterion for measuring the persistence of a
European high before). The ECM shows no European high at this time
anyway. The chances of a European high building were low yesterday and
are even lower today.