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This should convince anyone that his LRF record is hopeless and he, or
any of his followers has any right to claim that it is, because of a couple of recent lucky guesses. I researched his USA forecasts for 4 years, looked at the actual outcomes, using the NOAA data and then compared the two in a commentary. His 4 forecasts were next to useless. It’s a long read, but I'd love to hear comments about this man's LRF prowess following this analysis. If you don't believe me: look at the forecasts and the outcomes yourself. If anyone lionises Joe's LRF ability after this, they are a bigger charlatan than he is. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?repor...d=Get+R eport Joe *******i USA Forecasting record. 2005-7 2005/6. Forecast for the Eastern USA. A teeth-chattering, cold and snowy winter is predicted for the Eastern U.S. starting in December. And more snow and cold are on tap for the start of 2006, forecasters say. AccuWeather meteorologist Joe *******i said the winter forecast calls for colder than normal temperatures and above normal snowfall for the eastern Great Lakes regions. *******i bases his prediction on, among other factors, an active hurricane season. Based on the 2005 hurricane season, and other similar "hyper-hurricane" seasons in 1933, 1969 and 1995, *******i concluded that the winters that followed each of those seasons were typically cold and snowy in the Northeast. Actual Outcome (NOAA) December-February temperatures were much above average for the nation, with most states, especially those in the central U.S., averaging warmer than the long-term mean. However, Accuweather, on its site, chose to concentrate on the last 2 weeks of the winter, when reporting to its clients; Spin from Accuweather. Beginning February, 4, 2005, Joe *******i consistently predicted a dramatic change to colder weather for the Midwest and Northeast, to begin about February 18. Meanwhile, the National Weather Service predicted normal temperatures for that period. The price of April natural gas bottomed out at $5.987 on February 18, but then the weather turned colder as Joe had predicted. By March 9 the price had risen to $6.880 due to increased demand. Joe's clients had two weeks of advance warning of this opportunity. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of what *******i had predicted. It was a warm winter. The Accuweather spin is very typical of what these people do to gain business. 2006/7 Forecast: *******i sums up his expectations for the upcoming December-to- February period this way: "The eastern U.S. will experience a colder- than-normal winter overall. The area from the eastern and central Great Lakes to the south-central and south-western U.S. will experience near-normal winter temperatures. The region that stretches from the western Great Lakes to the Pacific Northwest will likely see above-normal temperatures." Actual Outcome (NOAA): Winter: December-February temperatures were near much above average for the nation ranking 5th warmest on record. A record warm January dominated the winter average. For information on temperature records during the season, please go to NCDC's Extremes page. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of the cold winter that *******i had predicted. The USA winter was warmer than average. 2007/8 Forecast: JOE *******I’S ACCUWEATHER.COM WINTER FORECAST The extended winter forecast for the months of November through March calls for a cooler than normal start and end but the traditional winter months, December through February, may be one of the top 10 warmest winters ever for the south-eastern United States. The heat will be centered over the Tennessee Valley and the Carolinas. For the nation as a whole, this winter will be warmer than last winter; especially in the second half of January and February when last winter season was at its coldest. When looking at the past three winters, we find that population weighted, this may be as warm as the 1998-99 winter and the 2001-02 winters. Unlike the winter of 2005-06 and last winter, where significant shots of cold and snow showed up in major areas during 35-50% of the winter months, this winter may have over 75% of the days above normal in most of the nation southeast of line from the Great Lakes to the Southwest. The only signal for below normal is over the Pacific Northwest. Outcome: November 14th warmest November on record (1895-2006). Fourth warmest November for the Northeast region. Four states (Connecticut, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Rhode Island) were record warmest during November. January 49th warmest January on record (1895-2007). Two states (Delaware and Maryland) were tied for 11th warmest January on record. Nine states were cooler than average, including Colorado and Texas. March For the contiguous United States, March 2007 was the second warmest such month on record (based on preliminary data), 5.6°F (3.1°C) warmer than the 20th century mean of 42.5°F (5.8°C). Only March 1910 was warmer in the 113-year national record. Commentary: Completely the opposite of what *******i predicted. The warmth was at the start and end of the winter and the cold was in the middle! 2008/9 Forecast. Last week, AccuWeather's Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe *******i issued his 2008-2009 winter outlook. The outlook calls for an "overall colder and snowier" winter compared to the last "several" winters for the East Coast. About the winter *******i says: "It may be a shock to some when compared with the above-average temperatures of last year in the East. It will put some 'brrrrrr' in the saddle of folks who have not had to deal with such things for a while." Keep reading for more on *******i's outlook. For the weather through the week, see our full forecast. *******i expects winter to assert itself in two blasts -- at the beginning and at the end -- with a pronounced January thaw in the middle. Outcome. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for December was 32.5°F (0.3°C), which was 0.9°F (0.5°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 35th coolest December on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for January was 30.5°F (-0.8°C), which was 0.3°F (0.2°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 49th coolest January on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for February was 34.9°F (1.6°C), which was 0.2°F (0.1°C) above the 20th century mean and ranked as the 52nd warmest February on record, based on preliminary data. Commentary: Although the winter overall had very slightly below average temperatures, as Joe had forecast, the pattern was slightly colder at the start, no mild January and above average at the end. Nothing like what he’d forecast. 4 years, 4 poor forecasts for the USA. And he has the gall to criticise the Met Office's forecasts for the UK. *)) |
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On 10 Jan, 20:44, Dawlish wrote:
This should convince anyone that his LRF record is hopeless and he, or any of his followers has any right to claim that it is, because of a couple of recent lucky guesses. I researched his USA forecasts for 4 years, looked at the actual outcomes, using the NOAA data and then compared the two in a commentary. His 4 forecasts were next to useless. It’s a long read, but I'd love to hear comments about this man's LRF prowess following this analysis. If you don't believe me: look at the forecasts and the outcomes yourself. If anyone lionises Joe's LRF ability after this, they are a bigger charlatan than he is. *http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?repor...8&month=2&subm... Joe *******i USA Forecasting record. 2005-7 2005/6. Forecast for the Eastern USA. A teeth-chattering, cold and snowy winter is predicted for the Eastern U.S. starting in December. And more snow and cold are on tap for the start of 2006, forecasters say. AccuWeather meteorologist Joe *******i said the winter forecast calls for colder than normal temperatures and above normal snowfall for the eastern Great Lakes regions. *******i bases his prediction on, among other factors, an active hurricane season. Based on the 2005 hurricane season, and other similar "hyper-hurricane" seasons in 1933, 1969 and 1995, *******i concluded that the winters that followed each of those seasons were typically cold and snowy in the Northeast. Actual Outcome (NOAA) December-February temperatures were much above average for the nation, with most states, especially those in the central U.S., averaging warmer than the long-term mean. However, Accuweather, on its site, chose to concentrate on the last 2 weeks of the winter, when reporting to its clients; Spin from Accuweather. Beginning February, 4, 2005, Joe *******i consistently predicted a dramatic change to colder weather for the Midwest and Northeast, to begin about February 18. Meanwhile, the National Weather Service predicted normal temperatures for that period. The price of April natural gas bottomed out at $5.987 on February 18, but then the weather turned colder as Joe had predicted. By March 9 the price had risen to $6.880 due to increased demand. Joe's clients had two weeks of advance warning of this opportunity. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of what *******i had predicted. It was a warm winter. The Accuweather spin is very typical of what these people do to gain business. 2006/7 Forecast: *******i sums up his expectations for the upcoming December-to- February period this way: "The eastern U.S. will experience a colder- than-normal winter overall. The area from the eastern and central Great Lakes to the south-central and south-western U.S. will experience near-normal winter temperatures. The region that stretches from the western Great Lakes to the Pacific Northwest will likely see above-normal temperatures." Actual Outcome (NOAA): Winter: December-February temperatures were near much above average for the nation ranking 5th warmest on record. A record warm January dominated the winter average. For information on temperature records during the season, please go to NCDC's Extremes page. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of the cold winter that *******i had predicted. The USA winter was warmer than average. 2007/8 Forecast: JOE *******I’S ACCUWEATHER.COM WINTER FORECAST The extended winter forecast for the months of November through March calls for a cooler than normal start and end but the traditional winter months, December through February, may be one of the top 10 warmest winters ever for the south-eastern United States. The heat will be centered over the Tennessee Valley and the Carolinas. For the nation as a whole, this winter will be warmer than last winter; especially in the second half of January and February when last winter season was at its coldest. When looking at the past three winters, we find that population weighted, this may be as warm as the 1998-99 winter and the 2001-02 winters. Unlike the winter of 2005-06 and last winter, where significant shots of cold and snow showed up in major areas during 35-50% of the winter months, this winter may have over 75% of the days above normal in most of the nation southeast of line from the Great Lakes to the Southwest. The only signal for below normal is over the Pacific Northwest. Outcome: November 14th warmest November on record (1895-2006). Fourth warmest November for the Northeast region. Four states (Connecticut, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Rhode Island) were record warmest during November. January 49th warmest January on record (1895-2007). Two states (Delaware and Maryland) were tied for 11th warmest January on record. Nine states were cooler than average, including Colorado and Texas. March For the contiguous United States, March 2007 was the second warmest such month on record (based on preliminary data), 5.6°F (3.1°C) warmer than the 20th century mean of 42.5°F (5.8°C). Only March 1910 was warmer in the 113-year national record. Commentary: Completely the opposite of what *******i predicted. The warmth was at the start and end of the winter and the cold was in the middle! 2008/9 Forecast. Last week, AccuWeather's Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe *******i issued his 2008-2009 winter outlook. The outlook calls for an "overall colder and snowier" winter compared to the last "several" winters for the East Coast. About the winter *******i says: "It may be a shock to some when compared with the above-average temperatures of last year in the East. It will put some 'brrrrrr' in the saddle of folks who have not had to deal with such things for a while." Keep reading for more on *******i's outlook. For the weather through the week, see our full forecast. *******i expects winter to assert itself in two blasts -- at the beginning and at the end -- with a pronounced January thaw in the middle. Outcome. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for December was 32.5°F (0.3°C), which was 0.9°F (0.5°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 35th coolest December on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for January was 30.5°F (-0.8°C), which was 0.3°F (0.2°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 49th coolest January on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for February was 34.9°F (1.6°C), which was 0.2°F (0.1°C) above the 20th century mean and ranked as the 52nd warmest February on record, based on preliminary data. Commentary: Although the winter overall had very slightly below average temperatures, as Joe had forecast, the pattern was slightly colder at the start, no mild January and above average at the end. Nothing like what he’d forecast. 4 years, 4 poor forecasts for the USA. And he has the gall to criticise the Met Office's forecasts for the UK. *)) Have you sent this analysis to the man himself. I'd be very interested to see his response... |
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On 10 Jan, 21:44, Dawlish wrote:
This should convince anyone that his LRF record is hopeless and he, or any of his followers has any right to claim that it is, because of a couple of recent lucky guesses. I researched his USA forecasts for 4 years, looked at the actual outcomes, using the NOAA data and then compared the two in a commentary. His 4 forecasts were next to useless. It’s a long read, but I'd love to hear comments about this man's LRF prowess following this analysis. If you don't believe me: look at the forecasts and the outcomes yourself. If anyone lionises Joe's LRF ability after this, they are a bigger charlatan than he is. *http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?repor...8&month=2&subm... Joe *******i USA Forecasting record. 2005-7 2005/6. Forecast for the Eastern USA. A teeth-chattering, cold and snowy winter is predicted for the Eastern U.S. starting in December. And more snow and cold are on tap for the start of 2006, forecasters say. AccuWeather meteorologist Joe *******i said the winter forecast calls for colder than normal temperatures and above normal snowfall for the eastern Great Lakes regions. *******i bases his prediction on, among other factors, an active hurricane season. Based on the 2005 hurricane season, and other similar "hyper-hurricane" seasons in 1933, 1969 and 1995, *******i concluded that the winters that followed each of those seasons were typically cold and snowy in the Northeast. Actual Outcome (NOAA) December-February temperatures were much above average for the nation, with most states, especially those in the central U.S., averaging warmer than the long-term mean. However, Accuweather, on its site, chose to concentrate on the last 2 weeks of the winter, when reporting to its clients; Spin from Accuweather. Beginning February, 4, 2005, Joe *******i consistently predicted a dramatic change to colder weather for the Midwest and Northeast, to begin about February 18. Meanwhile, the National Weather Service predicted normal temperatures for that period. The price of April natural gas bottomed out at $5.987 on February 18, but then the weather turned colder as Joe had predicted. By March 9 the price had risen to $6.880 due to increased demand. Joe's clients had two weeks of advance warning of this opportunity. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of what *******i had predicted. It was a warm winter. The Accuweather spin is very typical of what these people do to gain business. 2006/7 Forecast: *******i sums up his expectations for the upcoming December-to- February period this way: "The eastern U.S. will experience a colder- than-normal winter overall. The area from the eastern and central Great Lakes to the south-central and south-western U.S. will experience near-normal winter temperatures. The region that stretches from the western Great Lakes to the Pacific Northwest will likely see above-normal temperatures." Actual Outcome (NOAA): Winter: December-February temperatures were near much above average for the nation ranking 5th warmest on record. A record warm January dominated the winter average. For information on temperature records during the season, please go to NCDC's Extremes page. Commentary. The winter was the opposite of the cold winter that *******i had predicted. The USA winter was warmer than average. 2007/8 Forecast: JOE *******I’S ACCUWEATHER.COM WINTER FORECAST The extended winter forecast for the months of November through March calls for a cooler than normal start and end but the traditional winter months, December through February, may be one of the top 10 warmest winters ever for the south-eastern United States. The heat will be centered over the Tennessee Valley and the Carolinas. For the nation as a whole, this winter will be warmer than last winter; especially in the second half of January and February when last winter season was at its coldest. When looking at the past three winters, we find that population weighted, this may be as warm as the 1998-99 winter and the 2001-02 winters. Unlike the winter of 2005-06 and last winter, where significant shots of cold and snow showed up in major areas during 35-50% of the winter months, this winter may have over 75% of the days above normal in most of the nation southeast of line from the Great Lakes to the Southwest. The only signal for below normal is over the Pacific Northwest. Outcome: November 14th warmest November on record (1895-2006). Fourth warmest November for the Northeast region. Four states (Connecticut, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Rhode Island) were record warmest during November. January 49th warmest January on record (1895-2007). Two states (Delaware and Maryland) were tied for 11th warmest January on record. Nine states were cooler than average, including Colorado and Texas. March For the contiguous United States, March 2007 was the second warmest such month on record (based on preliminary data), 5.6°F (3.1°C) warmer than the 20th century mean of 42.5°F (5.8°C). Only March 1910 was warmer in the 113-year national record. Commentary: Completely the opposite of what *******i predicted. The warmth was at the start and end of the winter and the cold was in the middle! 2008/9 Forecast. Last week, AccuWeather's Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe *******i issued his 2008-2009 winter outlook. The outlook calls for an "overall colder and snowier" winter compared to the last "several" winters for the East Coast. About the winter *******i says: "It may be a shock to some when compared with the above-average temperatures of last year in the East. It will put some 'brrrrrr' in the saddle of folks who have not had to deal with such things for a while." Keep reading for more on *******i's outlook. For the weather through the week, see our full forecast. *******i expects winter to assert itself in two blasts -- at the beginning and at the end -- with a pronounced January thaw in the middle. Outcome. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for December was 32.5°F (0.3°C), which was 0.9°F (0.5°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 35th coolest December on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for January was 30.5°F (-0.8°C), which was 0.3°F (0.2°C) below the 20th century mean and ranked as the 49th coolest January on record, based on preliminary data. For the contiguous United States, the average temperature for February was 34.9°F (1.6°C), which was 0.2°F (0.1°C) above the 20th century mean and ranked as the 52nd warmest February on record, based on preliminary data. Commentary: Although the winter overall had very slightly below average temperatures, as Joe had forecast, the pattern was slightly colder at the start, no mild January and above average at the end. Nothing like what he’d forecast. 4 years, 4 poor forecasts for the USA. And he has the gall to criticise the Met Office's forecasts for the UK. *)) Cor, bet that took a while. Pretty futile exercise, really, as he has been generally perceived to get his forecasts right, certainly of late, and that is what the general public notice. He also fully explains his reasoning, and his thoughts on the climatic scheme of things, rather than invent, adjust, pronounce, run and hide like, well, we all know who... Also of public notice, is the fact that the Met Office are consistently shooting themselves in both feet, in their attempt to be far too clever for themselves, trying to give a reasonably short term forecast without prejudicing the longer term prognoses for years to come for which they of necessity (for their governmental masters) have to make us all believe it's going to be a LOT warmer, and we're all going to scorch to death, or drown, or something. Anyway, ANY forecast more than a day or two ahead (and even THAT's problematical for the good old Met Office) is largely a guestimate, otherwise the models wouldn't be continually changing, with the forecasters regularly caught with their pants down. A lot of egg on a lot of faces lately, I fear, and a hefty bonus, too, by all accounts, for doing their masters' bidding, and telling it like it "is". I think it's just a means to an end for you, Dawlish, to try and discredit ANYTHING and ANYONE who has a different slant on the vagaries of climate from your own ideas. Clutching at straws is an expression that readily springs to mind. Night, night - don't get frostbite... CK |
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This just about sums you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyGx5MPPki4 Jealousy, that forecaster is so much better than me I sometimes wonder, if this cold spell that we’re under Could have been predicted by me for all this NG to see, But no, it was that Damned Yank Joe *******i My forecasts fall apart In just one lousy day Especially when that Will is away This Jealousy that tortures me could be ecstasy If it weren’t for ******* Joe *******i But I love him I "Dawlish" wrote in message ... This should convince anyone that his LRF record is hopeless and he, or any of his followers has any right to claim that it is, because of a couple of recent lucky guesses. I researched his USA forecasts for 4 years, looked at the actual outcomes, using the NOAA data and then compared the two in a commentary. His 4 forecasts were next to useless. It’s a long read, but I'd love to hear comments about this man's LRF prowess following this analysis. If you don't believe me: look at the forecasts and the outcomes yourself. If anyone lionises Joe's LRF ability after this, they are a bigger charlatan than he is. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?repor...et+R eportJoe *******i USA Forecasting record. 2005-72005/6. Forecast for the Eastern USA.A teeth-chattering, cold and snowy winter is predicted for the EasternU.S. starting in December. And more snow and cold are on tap for thestart of 2006, forecasters say.AccuWeather meteorologist Joe *******i said the winter forecast callsfor colder than normal temperatures and above normal snowfall for theeastern Great Lakes regions.*******i bases his prediction on, among other factors, an activehurricane season. Based on the 2005 hurricane season, and othersimilar "hyper-hurricane" seasons in 1933, 1969 and 1995, *******iconcluded that the winters that followed each of those seasons weretypically cold and snowy in the Northeast.Actual Outcome (NOAA)December-February temperatures were much above average for the nation,with most states, especially those in the central U.S., averagingwarmer than the long-term mean.However, Accuweather, on its site, chose to concentrate on the last 2weeks of the winter, when reporting to its clients;Spin from Accuweather.Beginning February, 4, 2005, Joe *******i consistently predicted adramatic change to colder weather for the Midwest and Northeast, tobegin about February 18. Meanwhile, the National Weather Servicepredicted normal temperatures for that period. The price of Aprilnatural gas bottomed out at $5.987 on February 18, but then theweather turned colder as Joe had predicted. By March 9 the price hadrisen to $6.880 due to increased demand. Joe's clients had two weeksof advance warning of this opportunity.Commentary.The winter was the opposite of what *******i had predicted. It was awarm winter. The Accuweather spin is very typical of what these peopledo to gain business.2006/7Forecast:*******i sums up his expectations for the upcoming December-to-February period this way: "The eastern U.S. will experience a colder-than-normal winter overall. The area from the eastern and centralGreat Lakes to the south-central and south-western U.S. willexperience near-normal winter temperatures. The region that stretchesfrom the western Great Lakes to the Pacific Northwest will likely seeabove-normal temperatures."Actual Outcome (NOAA):Winter ![]() |
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On Jan 10, 8:44*pm, Dawlish wrote:
This should convince anyone that his LRF record is hopeless and he, or any of his followers has any right to claim that it is, because of a couple of recent lucky guesses. Well as I've said before, I don't go along with JB's attitude towards GW, but I sincerely hope his winter forecast for this part of the world comes true :-) Nick |
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On Jan 11, 10:53*am, Natsman wrote:
Whatever. *It's public perception that counts, Really? And I thought it was all down to facts and science. Silly me. *)) |
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