Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October 1987
to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?
And if she's still around, will she call them tomorrow and ask the same?
I'll bet she'd get the same response if she did.

Richard, I recall you've studied the details of that system in great
depth... Now that it's developement is well underway, are there any worrying
simlarities for people who are not on the continent?
Cheers
Alex.

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?
And if she's still around, will she call them tomorrow and ask the
same? I'll bet she'd get the same response if she did.

Richard, I recall you've studied the details of that system in great
depth... Now that it's developement is well underway, are there any
worrying simlarities for people who are not on the continent?
Cheers
Alex.

Just looked at T+60

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._pressure.html

Eeek!

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:18:24 -0000, "Alex Stephens Jr"
wrote:

Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October 1987
to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?
And if she's still around, will she call them tomorrow and ask the same?
I'll bet she'd get the same response if she did.

Wasn't she the one who eventually married Michael Fish?

(only joking!)

Geoff

On Feb 26, 7:43*pm, "Les Hemmings" wrote:
Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?
And if she's still around, will she call them tomorrow and ask the
same? I'll bet she'd get the same response if she did.

Richard, I recall you've studied the details of that system in great
depth... Now that it's developement is well underway, are there any
worrying simlarities for people who are not on the continent?
Cheers
Alex.

Just looked at T+60

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._pressure.html

Eeek!

It is an eek! Mr. Brain on Spotlight was highlighting the stormy
potential even here, some distance from the "eye". Coastal flooding
and perhaps lee snow potential on the moors too. It'll be an
interesting day - but perhaps nothing like as interesting as the
weather in Northern France. That really looks like it may be an "eek!".

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?

Wasn't that question actually concerning a hurricane in Florida
and therefore nothing to do with the UK at all, but had simply
got hoplessly tangled up with the 'folklore' of the Oct 1987
storm and Michael Fish's now infamous broadcast?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:04:49 -0000, "Col"
wrote:

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?

Wasn't that question actually concerning a hurricane in Florida
and therefore nothing to do with the UK at all, but had simply
got hoplessly tangled up with the 'folklore' of the Oct 1987
storm and Michael Fish's now infamous broadcast?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

No, Michael Fish said there was no hurricane risk from an approaching
storm coming towards the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm

wrote:

No, Michael Fish said there was no hurricane risk from an approaching
storm coming towards the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm

Wikipedia has it otherwise...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_S...the_Met_Office

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:13:18 GMT,
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:04:49 -0000, "Col"
wrote:

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?

Wasn't that question actually concerning a hurricane in Florida
and therefore nothing to do with the UK at all, but had simply
got hoplessly tangled up with the 'folklore' of the Oct 1987
storm and Michael Fish's now infamous broadcast?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

No, Michael Fish said there was no hurricane risk from an approaching
storm coming towards the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm

Replying to myself, I stand corrected, so apologies, Col. There is an
"In Context" box on this webpage qualifying what Michael said in
reference to a tropical cyclone in the West Atlantic, but he did imply
that there would be no hurricane force winds associated with the UK
storm which proved to be wrong when its track was wrongly predicted
and it produced hurricane force gusts locally.

Geoff

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:04:49 -0000, "Col"
wrote:

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?

Wasn't that question actually concerning a hurricane in Florida
and therefore nothing to do with the UK at all, but had simply
got hoplessly tangled up with the 'folklore' of the Oct 1987
storm and Michael Fish's now infamous broadcast?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

No, Michael Fish said there was no hurricane risk from an approaching
storm coming towards the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm


Although, of course, he did say it would be very windy... Technically he was
correct on both counts. Without prompting from a telephone call, Shian Lloyd
(appoligies if incorrect spelling) stated the same on this evenings ITV
weather bulletin as Michael Fish did all those years ago.

I still wouldn't mind a proffesionals input into this subject - and whether
current model output in anyway takes into account the events of 22 and a bit
years ago?
I detect a lot of hesitation also :-)

"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:04:49 -0000, "Col"
wrote:

Alex Stephens Jr wrote:
Who was that lady who telephoned the beeb on a certain day in October
1987 to ask if there was a hurricane on the way?

Wasn't that question actually concerning a hurricane in Florida
and therefore nothing to do with the UK at all, but had simply
got hoplessly tangled up with the 'folklore' of the Oct 1987
storm and Michael Fish's now infamous broadcast?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

No, Michael Fish said there was no hurricane risk from an approaching
storm coming towards the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm


Although, of course, he did say it would be very windy... Technically he
was correct on both counts. Without prompting from a telephone call, Shian
Lloyd (appoligies if incorrect spelling) stated the same on this evenings
ITV weather bulletin as Michael Fish did all those years ago.

I still wouldn't mind a proffesionals input into this subject - and
whether current model output in anyway takes into account the events of 22
and a bit years ago?
I detect a lot of hesitation also :-)

Alex, the Great Storm of 1987 was over 22 years ago and NWP has moved a long
way. It too IIRC was a Shapiro-Keyser system with a seclusion (warm core),
but Shapiro-Keyser had not written their paper in 1987 so the understanding
was less. What that storm did was to focus forecaster's minds on making
better use of satellite imagery to spot conceptual features. The modelling
of this storm looks to be superb capturing the west-east orientation and
warm air seclusion process typical of this kind of system. Because the model
is capturing the dynamics it should get the wind forecast right too, the
only error is likely to be track and possibly depth. Alex, models have moved
a vast amount since the days of 1987, those models could be run on a modern
day PC, nowadays a fast supercomputer is required.

Will
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