"T T" wrote in message
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winter ended 1st march, bigot boy


And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton

On Mar 12, 11:35*pm, "jbm" wrote:
"T T" wrote in message

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winter ended 1st march, bigot boy

And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton

"sprinter"? *))

The last few days' runs from the gfs are suggesting some warmer
weather next week, albeit becoming more unsettled too. Keith's
suggestion that weak zonality, combined with high pressure to our
east, giving southerlies is exactly what the gfs is showing this
morning, though the ECM has more mobile conditions at T+240. The gfs
ens don't paint quite the same the same warmer picture past the 20th,
as a result of that jet still staying to our south.

Hopefully some better conditions in the east, for a while, from today.

yawn


Dawlish wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:35 pm, "jbm" wrote:
"T T" wrote in message

...

winter ended 1st march, bigot boy
And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton

"sprinter"? *))

The last few days' runs from the gfs are suggesting some warmer
weather next week, albeit becoming more unsettled too. Keith's
suggestion that weak zonality, combined with high pressure to our
east, giving southerlies is exactly what the gfs is showing this
morning, though the ECM has more mobile conditions at T+240. The gfs
ens don't paint quite the same the same warmer picture past the 20th,
as a result of that jet still staying to our south.

Hopefully some better conditions in the east, for a while, from today.

weekdays and weekends

jbm wrote:
"T T" wrote in message
...
winter ended 1st march, bigot boy


And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton

In article ,
jbm writes:

"T T" wrote in message
...
winter ended 1st march, bigot boy


And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton



This seems to crop up every year. British meteorologists and
climatologists take winter as the months of December, January and
February and spring as March, April and May. That seems eminently
sensible to me. Using complete months makes calculating averages for
each season simpler, and also on average the first three weeks of March
are warmer than the first three weeks of December. There's no good
reason why spring should be considered to begin at the Vernal Equinox,
at least as far as weather and climate are concerned.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

"Dawlish" wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 11:35 pm, "jbm" wrote:
"T T" wrote in message

...

winter ended 1st march, bigot boy

And Spring starts on 21st March (the equinox). So what are the intervening
20 days classed as?

jim, Northampton

"sprinter"? *))

Or "wining"?

jim, Northampton

"John Hall" wrote in message
...

This seems to crop up every year. British meteorologists and
climatologists take winter as the months of December, January and
February and spring as March, April and May. That seems eminently
sensible to me. Using complete months makes calculating averages for
each season simpler, and also on average the first three weeks of March
are warmer than the first three weeks of December. There's no good
reason why spring should be considered to begin at the Vernal Equinox,
at least as far as weather and climate are concerned.
--

I would have thought February 5th would have been the ideal date. It is half
way between the solstice and equinox, so using that as a base line,
mid-summers day, 21st June or the summer solstice, would then be literally
mid-summer.

It brings Mr Spock to mind. Nothing humans do is ever logical.

jim, Northampton

On Mar 13, 11:40*pm, "jbm" wrote:
"John Hall" wrote in message

...

This seems to crop up every year. British meteorologists and
climatologists take winter as the months of December, January and
February and spring as March, April and May. That seems eminently
sensible to me. Using complete months makes calculating averages for
each season simpler, and also on average the first three weeks of March
are warmer than the first three weeks of December. There's no good
reason why spring should be considered to begin at the Vernal Equinox,
at least as far as weather and climate are concerned.
--

I would have thought February 5th would have been the ideal date. It is half
way between the solstice and equinox, so using that as a base line,
mid-summers day, 21st June or the summer solstice, would then be literally
mid-summer.

It brings Mr Spock to mind. Nothing humans do is ever logical.

jim, Northampton

Looks like the "while" in the title could be disappointingly short.
Although both the gfs 06z and the ECM 00z both show mild conditions at
10 days, they are also on the warm side of the ensemble means; the ECM
especially so and it is a warm outlier. GEM shows westerly flows which
may end up closer to what we actually get, rather than the mild
southerlies of the gfs and ECM operationals:

http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/uk/home/..._forecast.html

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...nsviewer;sess=

I wouldn't despair about the cooler possibilities, as there is that
agreement between the two models, but that would have to be translated
into a few consecutive milder runs for me to be interested. I'm still
happy about my 10-day forecast for Friday, but there could be another
cooling soon afterwards.

On Mar 14, 12:47*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Mar 13, 11:40*pm, "jbm" wrote:





"John Hall" wrote in message

.. .

This seems to crop up every year. British meteorologists and
climatologists take winter as the months of December, January and
February and spring as March, April and May. That seems eminently
sensible to me. Using complete months makes calculating averages for
each season simpler, and also on average the first three weeks of March
are warmer than the first three weeks of December. There's no good
reason why spring should be considered to begin at the Vernal Equinox,
at least as far as weather and climate are concerned.
--

I would have thought February 5th would have been the ideal date. It is half
way between the solstice and equinox, so using that as a base line,
mid-summers day, 21st June or the summer solstice, would then be literally
mid-summer.

It brings Mr Spock to mind. Nothing humans do is ever logical.

jim, Northampton

Looks like the "while" in the title could be disappointingly short.
Although both the gfs 06z and the ECM 00z both show mild conditions at
10 days, they are also on the warm side of the ensemble means; the ECM
especially so and it is a warm outlier. GEM shows westerly flows which
may end up closer to what we actually get, rather than the mild
southerlies of the gfs and ECM operationals:

http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/uk/home/...semble_forecas...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...nsviewer;sess=

I wouldn't despair about the cooler possibilities, as there is that
agreement between the two models, but that would have to be translated
into a few consecutive milder runs for me to be interested. I'm still
happy about my 10-day forecast for Friday, but there could be another
cooling soon afterwards.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A turn for the more unsettled on the 12z ECM and even March snow in a
freezing easterly if you believe the 12z gfs! It'll be a rank cold
outlier at 10 days, but it hints at what the ensemble mean has been
showing.

On Mar 14, 7:16*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Mar 14, 12:47*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Mar 13, 11:40*pm, "jbm" wrote:

"John Hall" wrote in message

.. .

This seems to crop up every year. British meteorologists and
climatologists take winter as the months of December, January and
February and spring as March, April and May. That seems eminently
sensible to me. Using complete months makes calculating averages for
each season simpler, and also on average the first three weeks of March
are warmer than the first three weeks of December. There's no good
reason why spring should be considered to begin at the Vernal Equinox,
at least as far as weather and climate are concerned.
--

I would have thought February 5th would have been the ideal date. It is half
way between the solstice and equinox, so using that as a base line,
mid-summers day, 21st June or the summer solstice, would then be literally
mid-summer.

It brings Mr Spock to mind. Nothing humans do is ever logical.

jim, Northampton

Looks like the "while" in the title could be disappointingly short.
Although both the gfs 06z and the ECM 00z both show mild conditions at
10 days, they are also on the warm side of the ensemble means; the ECM
especially so and it is a warm outlier. GEM shows westerly flows which
may end up closer to what we actually get, rather than the mild
southerlies of the gfs and ECM operationals:

http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/uk/home/...semble_forecas...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...nsviewer;sess=

I wouldn't despair about the cooler possibilities, as there is that
agreement between the two models, but that would have to be translated
into a few consecutive milder runs for me to be interested. I'm still
happy about my 10-day forecast for Friday, but there could be another
cooling soon afterwards.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A turn for the more unsettled on the 12z ECM and even March snow in a
freezing easterly if you believe the 12z gfs! It'll be a rank cold
outlier at 10 days, but it hints at what the ensemble mean has been
showing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, I should have it checked before posting. The 12z wintry gfs
operational was a dreadful cold outlier, but the mean shows a return
to some cooler conditions after Friday and that lack of warmth
continuing right to the end of the month. Lots of cold members and no
particularly mild ones at all.

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...nsviewer;sess=