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"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps |
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On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote:
"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps Wow! Big deal. At least he has the humility to admit when he's in error, which isn't often. Compared to the rubbish normally put out by the Met Office, he's an angel... CK |
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On Sunday 05 September 2010 16:22, Mike McMillan scribbled:
"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps I see the 400mb level is currently 0.44C colder than 1998 whilst the near- surface layer is 0.4C warmer. This pattern has been more or less the same through all of August. Curious. Your link needs trimming to work - http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy". "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan Pakistan Floods Appeal: http://www.dec.org.uk/ |
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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote: "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by the Met Office, he's an angel... CK Have you looked at his forecasts for USA winters, 2004/5-2008/9 and have you found any admission of the fact that he was wrong 5 years out of 5? *)) |
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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote: "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by the Met Office, he's an angel... CK Have you found any admission that the reason he gave, in November 2009, for the colder winter that he forecast this year was an early change to La Nina conditions that would cause global temperatures to decrease rapidly by the start of December, was wrong? |
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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote: "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by the Met Office, he's an angel... CK Have you found any admission that his forecast that the well-forecast rapid decline in equatorial Pacific ocean temperatures to La Nina conditions would produce a precipitous decline in global temperatures? Humility, eh? A fine concept from an irrelevance that no-one considers until he gets something vaguely right............. and then only denier acolytes praise him. |
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On Sep 5, 7:44*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sunday 05 September 2010 16:22, Mike McMillan scribbled: "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps I see the 400mb level is currently 0.44C colder than 1998 whilst the near- surface layer is 0.4C warmer. This pattern has been more or less the same through all of August. Curious. Your link needs trimming to work -http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. *E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy". "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan Pakistan Floods Appeal:http://www.dec.org.uk/ Have you found any admission that his forecast that the well-forecast rapid decline in equatorial Pacific ocean temperatures would produce a precipitous decline in global temperatures? Humility, eh? A fine concept from an irrelevance that no-one considers until he gets something vaguely right............. |
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On Sep 5, 10:09*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Mike McMillan" wrote in message ... "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there seems to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose the AGW's could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy *in the world storage tanks -the oceans. By the way how are your accumulators *and photovoltaic panels ; *the thought of all that excess energy in the summer months and you hoovering frantically not to waste it does make me smile. oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in cheek, I was surprised he admitted to being slightly out so early in his prediction. Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of it, working in the Med. I am considering upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently possible! |
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On Sep 6, 6:49*am, Mike McMillan wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:09*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote: "Mike McMillan" wrote in message ... "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there seems to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose the AGW's could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy *in the world storage tanks -the oceans. By the way how are your accumulators *and photovoltaic panels ; *the thought of all that excess energy in the summer months and you hoovering frantically not to waste it does make me smile. oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in cheek, I was surprised he admitted to being slightly out so early in his prediction. Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of it, working in the Med. I am considering upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently possible!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - For climate deniers, the cooling is always going to happen in the future. We have had a period of record temperatures over the last 16 months and they are not yet falling despite strong negative forcings. Combining the two satellite measures show August to have been a record month for global temperatures and the obvious question any sceptic must ask themselves is "why is it so warm". A denier like Natsman won't even bother asking the question, as it simply cannot be CO2 to a climate denier, but I suspect that Lawrence may actually be a sceptic as he has asked the question, to his credit. http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001 Just as a rider to that link. Is anyone able to explain why the trace for August stayed below 2009's temperatures all month, yet the UAH series places August warmer than August 2009? That's been puzzling me. I can only think that either the daily trace is a good indication, rather than an accurate measure, or that the trace measures the temperature at a slightly different height from the final measure, or that the trace measures a different area of the surface. I think Graham(? Sorry if it's someone else!) has commented on this last possible reason and he may well be correct. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt |
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On Monday 06 September 2010 08:55, Dawlish scribbled:
On Sep 6, 6:49 am, Mike McMillan wrote: On Sep 5, 10:09 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote: "Mike McMillan" wrote in message ... "In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping in August The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too. Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite year on record, 1998" http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998 http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there seems to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose the AGW's could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy in the world storage tanks -the oceans. By the way how are your accumulators and photovoltaic panels ; the thought of all that excess energy in the summer months and you hoovering frantically not to waste it does make me smile. oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in cheek, I was surprised he admitted to being slightly out so early in his prediction. Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of it, working in the Med. I am considering upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently possible!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - For climate deniers, the cooling is always going to happen in the future. We have had a period of record temperatures over the last 16 months and they are not yet falling despite strong negative forcings. Combining the two satellite measures show August to have been a record month for global temperatures and the obvious question any sceptic must ask themselves is "why is it so warm". A denier like Natsman won't even bother asking the question, as it simply cannot be CO2 to a climate denier, but I suspect that Lawrence may actually be a sceptic as he has asked the question, to his credit. http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001 Just as a rider to that link. Is anyone able to explain why the trace for August stayed below 2009's temperatures all month, yet the UAH series places August warmer than August 2009? That's been puzzling me. I can only think that either the daily trace is a good indication, rather than an accurate measure, or that the trace measures the temperature at a slightly different height from the final measure, or that the trace measures a different area of the surface. I think Graham(? Sorry if it's someone else!) has commented on this last possible reason and he may well be correct. Thanks Paul, it was me. The times of year at which the maximum temperature occurs (late March) shows that the area is (a) mostly in the southern hemisphere and (b) over water. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt Wouldn't it be nice if people would put a title on their list of data such as this? Can't be too difficult to stick one line at the top of the page saying what it is? No August on it yet so I'll tap the reload button each day to see how it's faring. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy". "It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan Another Brick in The Wall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIP38eq-ywc |
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