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"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August

The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp

The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


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On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote:
"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August

The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp

The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


Wow! Big deal. At least he has the humility to admit when he's in
error, which isn't often. Compared to the rubbish normally put out by
the Met Office, he's an angel...

CK
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On Sunday 05 September 2010 16:22, Mike McMillan scribbled:

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August

The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp

The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


I see the 400mb level is currently 0.44C colder than 1998 whilst the near-
surface layer is 0.4C warmer. This pattern has been more or less the same
through all of August. Curious.

Your link needs trimming to work -
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/

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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote:

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in
error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by
the Met Office, he's an angel...

CK


Have you looked at his forecasts for USA winters, 2004/5-2008/9 and
have you found any admission of the fact that he was wrong 5 years out
of 5?

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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote:

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in
error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by
the Met Office, he's an angel...

CK


Have you found any admission that the reason he gave, in November
2009, for the colder winter that he forecast this year was an early
change to La Nina conditions that would cause global temperatures to
decrease rapidly by the start of December, was wrong?


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On Sep 5, 5:48*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 5 Sep, 17:22, Mike McMillan wrote:

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


Wow! *Big deal. *At least he has the humility to admit when he's in
error, which isn't often. *Compared to the rubbish normally put out by
the Met Office, he's an angel...

CK


Have you found any admission that his forecast that the well-forecast
rapid decline in equatorial Pacific ocean temperatures to La Nina
conditions would produce a precipitous decline in global
temperatures?

Humility, eh? A fine concept from an irrelevance that no-one considers
until he gets something vaguely right............. and then only
denier acolytes praise him.
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On Sep 5, 7:44*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sunday 05 September 2010 16:22, Mike McMillan scribbled:

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


I see the 400mb level is currently 0.44C colder than 1998 whilst the near-
surface layer is 0.4C warmer. This pattern has been more or less the same
through all of August. Curious.

Your link needs trimming to work -http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/

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"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl
Sagan
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Have you found any admission that his forecast that the well-forecast
rapid decline in equatorial Pacific ocean temperatures would produce a
precipitous decline in global temperatures?

Humility, eh? A fine concept from an irrelevance that no-one considers
until he gets something vaguely right.............
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On Sep 5, 10:09*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Mike McMillan" wrote in message

...





"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking
about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there seems
to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose the AGW's
could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy *in the world
storage tanks -the oceans.

By the way how are your accumulators *and photovoltaic panels ; *the thought
of all that excess energy in the summer months and you hoovering frantically
not to waste it does make me smile.


oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in
cheek, I was surprised he admitted
to being slightly out so early in his prediction.
Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of
it, working in the Med. I am considering
upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently
possible!
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On Sep 6, 6:49*am, Mike McMillan wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:09*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:





"Mike McMillan" wrote in message


...


"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp dropping
in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking
about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there seems
to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose the AGW's
could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy *in the world
storage tanks -the oceans.


By the way how are your accumulators *and photovoltaic panels ; *the thought
of all that excess energy in the summer months and you hoovering frantically
not to waste it does make me smile.


oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in
cheek, I was surprised he admitted
to being slightly out so early in his prediction.
Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of
it, working in the Med. I am considering
upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently
possible!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


For climate deniers, the cooling is always going to happen in the
future. We have had a period of record temperatures over the last 16
months and they are not yet falling despite strong negative forcings.
Combining the two satellite measures show August to have been a record
month for global temperatures and the obvious question any sceptic
must ask themselves is "why is it so warm". A denier like Natsman
won't even bother asking the question, as it simply cannot be CO2 to a
climate denier, but I suspect that Lawrence may actually be a sceptic
as he has asked the question, to his credit.

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001

Just as a rider to that link. Is anyone able to explain why the trace
for August stayed below 2009's temperatures all month, yet the UAH
series places August warmer than August 2009? That's been puzzling me.
I can only think that either the daily trace is a good indication,
rather than an accurate measure, or that the trace measures the
temperature at a slightly different height from the final measure, or
that the trace measures a different area of the surface. I think
Graham(? Sorry if it's someone else!) has commented on this last
possible reason and he may well be correct.

http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt
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On Monday 06 September 2010 08:55, Dawlish scribbled:

On Sep 6, 6:49 am, Mike McMillan wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:09 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:





"Mike McMillan" wrote in message


...


"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp
dropping in August


The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"


http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp


The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998


http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps


I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking
about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there
seems to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose
the AGW's could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy
in the world storage tanks -the oceans.


By the way how are your accumulators and photovoltaic panels ; the
thought of all that excess energy in the summer months and you
hoovering frantically not to waste it does make me smile.


oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in
cheek, I was surprised he admitted
to being slightly out so early in his prediction.
Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of
it, working in the Med. I am considering
upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently
possible!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


For climate deniers, the cooling is always going to happen in the
future. We have had a period of record temperatures over the last 16
months and they are not yet falling despite strong negative forcings.
Combining the two satellite measures show August to have been a record
month for global temperatures and the obvious question any sceptic
must ask themselves is "why is it so warm". A denier like Natsman
won't even bother asking the question, as it simply cannot be CO2 to a
climate denier, but I suspect that Lawrence may actually be a sceptic
as he has asked the question, to his credit.

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001

Just as a rider to that link. Is anyone able to explain why the trace
for August stayed below 2009's temperatures all month, yet the UAH
series places August warmer than August 2009? That's been puzzling me.
I can only think that either the daily trace is a good indication,
rather than an accurate measure, or that the trace measures the
temperature at a slightly different height from the final measure, or
that the trace measures a different area of the surface. I think
Graham(? Sorry if it's someone else!) has commented on this last
possible reason and he may well be correct.


Thanks Paul, it was me. The times of year at which the maximum temperature
occurs (late March) shows that the area is (a) mostly in the southern
hemisphere and (b) over water.


http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt


Wouldn't it be nice if people would put a title on their list of data such
as this? Can't be too difficult to stick one line at the top of the page
saying what it is?

No August on it yet so I'll tap the reload button each day to see how it's
faring.

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