Well it had to happen one day, hard drive failure. I must have seen it
coming although there were no signs from my trusty four year old home built
PC, as I had ordered a new one a few days earlier. It suddenly wouldn't boot
fully into Windows. Not overly concerned as the data on the hard drive was
probably ok at this point, I went through my usual recovery tricks of XP
repair, rescue disk ,booting from various Linux disks and so on. Couldn't
even get to restore through DOS or Safe mode. But they all just continuously
started up then powered down just before they got to the Desktop. Now
previously I had helped my daughter (they don't do backups do they) recover
data from a non-bootable HD by using an IDE to USB drive converter - a
brilliant idea that worked well. So I got out the same kit and it fried my
HD! I think the 12v power supply must have failed and put out too much
voltage. (I thought it might be worth mentioning to warn people to be extra
careful if they need to go down that route).
Now luckily I had backed up all of my images (20 gigs worth!) 3 days before,
My and my wife's Docs a few months before and emails seemed to be still on
the Virgin Server. So not the tragedy it could have been but as you know- a
big pain starting a new system up from scratch which brings me on to my main
point - Windows 7 !!
After reading some reviews that it was much better than Vista I thought it
was probably time to upgrade from my longstanding and sometimes troublesome
XP. How disappointed I was. My first reaction is that it is less intuitive,
dumbed down and has actually lost features like a calendar and Outlook
Express. The Windows LiveMail I am using here is so cluttered and full of
stuff it's very unfriendly. This brings me to a question that has often been
asked and which I have previously taken little heed of in the past:-
What free email clients are any good? Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.
Now to catch up with the weather - did someone mention cold while I was away
;-)

Dave

In article ,
says...
After reading some reviews that it was much better than Vista I thought it
was probably time to upgrade from my longstanding and sometimes troublesome
XP. How disappointed I was. My first reaction is that it is less intuitive,
dumbed down

Like the weather forecasts? Welcome to the world of the iPhone, where
technology is reduced to the level of social networks and the lowest
common denominator.

and has actually lost features like a calendar and Outlook
Express.

Lost Outlook express? But that must be a step forward? Noooo, that can't
be right.

The Windows LiveMail I am using here is so cluttered and full of
stuff it's very unfriendly. This brings me to a question that has often been
asked and which I have previously taken little heed of in the past:-
What free email clients are any good?

To be perfectly frank, and it pains me to say this, the cloud is the
future I'm afraid. Having just gotten hold of a new Android phone,
typing in my gmail address and password, and being pleasantly surprised
to find my entire virtual social life instantly available to me, I can
certainly say there are great advantages to allowing anonymous corporate
conglomerates access to your most intimate moments.

That's not to say I'm not worried about it, but I've been worried about
it for a long time now.

Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.

Well the technologically inept and those a little lacking in cerebral
matter can always use google groups ducks, but I have grown quite
accustomed to separating the two. I use gmail for my main mail account
now and the excellent microplanet gravity for newsgroups.

I'm afraid I have no recommendation for a pop3 email client. I use "the
bat", for legacy reasons, but it isn't free and I wouldn't recommend it
even if it was.

Now to catch up with the weather - did someone mention cold while I was away
;-)


Currently +3 in Moscow. That's warm....

--
Alan LeHun
Microplanet Gravity - http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/files/

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:21:40 -0000, Dave Cornwell wrote:

What free email clients are any good? Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.

I use Thunderbird for my emails and 40tude Dialog as my news client,
preferring to keep the two separate, although Thunderbird will handle
newsgroups perfectly well and Dialog can manage emails.
--
MCC

?"Alan LeHun" wrote in message
...
Lost Outlook express? But that must be a step forward? Noooo, that can't
be right.
Outlook Express hasn't existed for years. Windows Live Mail 2011 does a
passable job, although having to add s to quotes is rather annoying.

It fulfils my needs and under the hood is largely the same as Outlook
Express, it's just been given a lick of paint to bring it up to modern
interface standards.

To be perfectly frank, and it pains me to say this, the cloud is the
future I'm afraid.
I'm not convinced. They said the same 15 years ago, when Java was going to
be the future and by the year 2000 we'd all be using very cheap and
powerless PCs to access our desktops and files on someone's server halfway
across the world. Didn't happen, people prefer to have things on their own
hard drives.

These days there are more in the way of glorified bulletin boards (ie
Facebook), but things like email have and always have been designed to be
accessible wherever you are. Documents wise, nothing wrong with using
personal webspace for the non-important stuff. For the more important
things, there's not much wrong with backing up to pen drives or cheap
external hard drives.

Anyway, to the OP: WLMail 2011 will do pretty much everything you want,
although as the defaults look similar to Outlook Express to me I'm not sure
where you're getting the clutter thing from. If you click the View tab
you'll see options to turn off things you don't use.

On 01/11/2010 00:21, Dave Cornwell wrote:
What free email clients are any good? Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.
Now to catch up with the weather - did someone mention cold while I was
away ;-)

Tsk, tsk for not paying attention. This very same topic was
introduced a month ago by me as I have recently migrated from XP to W7.

After using Turnpike since 1995 I realised I had to move forward (YMMV).
I dabbled with Windows LiveMail and hated it so I asked for opinions on
this illustrious NG.

Consensus appeared to be Mozilla Thunderbird which I tried. Although not
as flexible as Turnpike with regards to filtering it is a good second so
have continued to use it. It is stable and does what it says on the side
of the can.

HTH

--
Wendy Tinley
Sheffield

On 01/11/2010 08:09, Wendy Tinley wrote:
On 01/11/2010 00:21, Dave Cornwell wrote:
What free email clients are any good? Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.
Now to catch up with the weather - did someone mention cold while I was
away ;-)

Consensus appeared to be Mozilla Thunderbird which I tried. Although not
as flexible as Turnpike with regards to filtering it is a good second so
have continued to use it. It is stable and does what it says on the side
of the can.

I will add my vote for Thunderbird too. And just to point out that
although its filtering is not full regex like TP it is able to add
custom header fields and apply global kill rules across all newsgroups
(something which TP notably lacked). I do miss regex and would urge any
TB users to request it to move the regex match feature up the wishlist.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On 1 Nov, 05:09, MCC wrote:

40tude Dialog as my news client,

Thanks for this - I am on XNews at the moment (at home) but having
downloaded this I'm impressed !

Richard

Martin Brown wrote:

I will add my vote for Thunderbird too. And just to point out that
although its filtering is not full regex like TP it is able to add
custom header fields and apply global kill rules across all newsgroups
(something which TP notably lacked). I do miss regex and would urge any
TB users to request it to move the regex match feature up the wishlist.

I like Thunderbird but found it occasionally displayed duplicate posts
so, being an Apple Macman, I purchased MacSOUP which has no bells or
whistles but is fast and reliable and is great for offline viewing.

--
The ex-Meteorologist formerly known as Purbeckview

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 02:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Richard Dixon wrote:

On 1 Nov, 05:09, MCC wrote:

40tude Dialog as my news client,

Thanks for this - I am on XNews at the moment (at home) but having
downloaded this I'm impressed !

Richard

Sadly 40tude Dialog is no longer supported but it is very stable and has an
excellent filtering system to get rid of the dross :-)
--
MCC

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...
Well it had to happen one day, hard drive failure. I must have seen it
coming although there were no signs from my trusty four year old home
built PC, as I had ordered a new one a few days earlier. It suddenly
wouldn't boot fully into Windows. Not overly concerned as the data on the
hard drive was probably ok at this point, I went through my usual recovery
tricks of XP repair, rescue disk ,booting from various Linux disks and so
on. Couldn't even get to restore through DOS or Safe mode. But they all
just continuously started up then powered down just before they got to the
Desktop. Now previously I had helped my daughter (they don't do backups do
they) recover data from a non-bootable HD by using an IDE to USB drive
converter - a brilliant idea that worked well. So I got out the same kit
and it fried my HD! I think the 12v power supply must have failed and put
out too much voltage. (I thought it might be worth mentioning to warn
people to be extra careful if they need to go down that route).
Now luckily I had backed up all of my images (20 gigs worth!) 3 days
before, My and my wife's Docs a few months before and emails seemed to be
still on the Virgin Server. So not the tragedy it could have been but as
you know- a big pain starting a new system up from scratch which brings me
on to my main point - Windows 7 !!
After reading some reviews that it was much better than Vista I thought it
was probably time to upgrade from my longstanding and sometimes
troublesome XP. How disappointed I was. My first reaction is that it is
less intuitive, dumbed down and has actually lost features like a calendar
and Outlook Express. The Windows LiveMail I am using here is so cluttered
and full of stuff it's very unfriendly. This brings me to a question that
has often been asked and which I have previously taken little heed of in
the past:-
What free email clients are any good? Simple is good as long as it deals
with Newsgroups.
Now to catch up with the weather - did someone mention cold while I was
away ;-)

Dave



Dave

How about taking the hard drive placing in a external case and trying it on
a lap top via the usb usual connection. Now if the problem is XP at least
the hard drive should still function as a storage device and thus all your
documents and personal stuff plus outlook emails ; can be recovered . You
can then either take the data off or buy a new hard drive and reinstall on
that and import all the email data from what was your original OS HD but now
a storage drive.

Does that make sense?