There's a piece by Philip Eden on the BBC website entitled "Time to
spend more money preparing for colder winters?":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12042733
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

John Hall wrote:
There's a piece by Philip Eden on the BBC website entitled "Time to
spend more money preparing for colder winters?":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12042733
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Brilliant article, as I would expect. I agree with it and thought these
two points were well made.

"The first thing to say is that it is essential to place current events
in proper historical and scientific contexts.
The last three winters have appeared to be cold and snowy only in
comparison with the relatively mild and snow-free winters of the last
two decades.
Were we able to pick them up and transplant them into, say, the 1940s or
1950s or 1960s they would not have looked out of place at all."



"What can be said with very little doubt is that, once this cluster of
cold winters has finished, we will have another lengthy run of mild and
rainy ones, and if we spend piles of cash on snowploughs and de-icing
equipment, we may come to regret it."

Dave

"What can be said with very little doubt is that, once this cluster of
cold winters has finished, we will have another lengthy run of mild and
rainy ones, and if we spend piles of cash on snowploughs and de-icing
equipment, we may come to regret it."

Dave

I wouldn't count your chickens Dave, things have changed!

There is nothing to suggest that we will have another run of 20 or so
years without harsh winters, maybe 3 or 4 average ones with a really
mild one thrown in for good measure, followed by another batch of
colder ones again.

Graham P Davis wrote in
:

I've been wondering whether a repeat performance is occurring. If so,
this could mean another cold winter or two for us, followed by a spell
of mild winters. Another effect would be an increase in East Greenland
ice for a few years, but this could also help towards more record lows
in the Arctic summer by reducing old ice amounts there.

I am hoping that the recent 2-3 "surprise" winters has already prompted
research into the causes.

Richard

In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
John Hall wrote:
There's a piece by Philip Eden on the BBC website entitled "Time to
spend more money preparing for colder winters?":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12042733
--------------------
Brilliant article, as I would expect. I agree with it and thought these
two points were well made.

"The first thing to say is that it is essential to place current events
in proper historical and scientific contexts.
The last three winters have appeared to be cold and snowy only in
comparison with the relatively mild and snow-free winters of the last
two decades.
Were we able to pick them up and transplant them into, say, the 1940s
or 1950s or 1960s they would not have looked out of place at all."

"What can be said with very little doubt is that, once this cluster of
cold winters has finished, we will have another lengthy run of mild and
rainy ones, and if we spend piles of cash on snowploughs and de-icing
equipment, we may come to regret it."

Dave

Yes. I do wonder, though, if there might be a tendency for the jetstream
to have become weaker, and hence more erratic, because GW has increased
temperatures in polar regions more than in the temperate zone, thus
reducing the temperature gradient that presumably "drives" it.
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

On Tuesday 21 December 2010 10:16, Richard Dixon scribbled:

Graham P Davis wrote in
:

I've been wondering whether a repeat performance is occurring. If so,
this could mean another cold winter or two for us, followed by a spell
of mild winters. Another effect would be an increase in East Greenland
ice for a few years, but this could also help towards more record lows
in the Arctic summer by reducing old ice amounts there.

I am hoping that the recent 2-3 "surprise" winters has already prompted
research into the causes.


I expect that will happen, but I doubt that degree-day anomalies will be
looked at. Trouble that I found was that the strong anomaly that showed up
on those charts was much less noticeable when looking at seasonal
temperature-anomaly charts.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell
It was raining cats and dogs and I fell in a poodle. [Chic
Murray(1919-1985)]

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
...
Graham P Davis wrote in
:

I've been wondering whether a repeat performance is occurring. If so,
this could mean another cold winter or two for us, followed by a spell
of mild winters. Another effect would be an increase in East Greenland
ice for a few years, but this could also help towards more record lows
in the Arctic summer by reducing old ice amounts there.

I am hoping that the recent 2-3 "surprise" winters has already prompted
research into the causes.

Richard

Time to re-evaluate the work of Lorenz and Chaos Theory, perhaps,
in view of the amount of ordnance that's been chucked about recently.

Spoken as one who vividly remembers the 1947 winter as an 11 year
old. We were assured then that the recent atomic explosions at the end
of WW2 couldn't possibly affect the weather as their energy was
insignificant compared with storm systems. Curiously no one disputes
that Krakatoa changed the weather for several years.

Alan

On Dec 20, 10:01*pm, John Hall wrote:
There's a piece by Philip Eden on the BBC website entitled "Time to
spend more money preparing for colder winters?":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12042733
--
John Hall
* * * * * * * * "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
* * * * * * * * *will hardly mind anything else."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

What an excellent read. If private concerns. like the BAA, wish to
invest more in snow clearing equipment, that's fine. As long as they
don't expect handouts from the coalition for doing it...........which
they won't get, of course. Please don't invest any of the cash you
have recieved from me in any schemes please!

On Dec 21, 10:16*am, Richard Dixon wrote:
Graham P Davis wrote :

I've been wondering whether a repeat performance is occurring. If so,
this could mean another cold winter or two for us, followed by a spell
of mild winters. Another effect would be an increase in East Greenland
ice for a few years, but this could also help towards more record lows
in the Arctic summer by reducing old ice amounts there.

I am hoping that the recent 2-3 "surprise" winters has already prompted
research into the causes.

Richard

It's worth seeking out three different papers by Overland & Wang
(Tellus), Petouckhov and Semenov (Journal of Geophysical Research),
and Honda, Inoue and Yamane (Geophysical Research Letters), all of
which investigate the possible link between low Arctic sea-ice minima
in late summer and autumn (particularly the Barents/Kara Seas) and
anomalously cold Eurasian winters through influence on mid-latitude
circulation.

Stephen.

Me wonders where all the money collected from the Climate Change Levy
that was added to business energy usage in the 1990's has gone?

Obviously not on projects realting to Climate Change.