Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
On Dec 29, 10:36 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have
been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature record
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps
It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that
is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves
some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.
--------------------
Well done Joe, unbelievable ;-)
Dave

I thought someone posted on here a while ago saying that globally 2010
was going to be the third warmest year on record, have I mistaken
something?

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"


Not any more Keith you need to understand that the cooling has set in in
earnest the last several months. Don't forget local weather doesn't equate
to objective globla measurement.


---------------
......... nor does several months equate to climate.
Dave

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature record
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps

It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.
--------------------
Well done Joe, unbelievable ;-)
Dave

You may mock young Master Cornwell but show me who, just one will do, person
who dared stick their neck out so with so many eager to lop it off.

How is your new axe you got as a Chrsitmas Present.

In all seriousness JB has out stepped AGW sceptics as well as the usual hand
wringers. Climate scientist should pack up and go home., they've earned it.
Especially those on the AGW gravy train they've earned fortunes.

I mean it now looks like our tea is now under threat, could be a storm
brewing here in a tea cup. But look, I'm not deliberatley trying to stir
things but I should be allowed to spout my views even though against the
mainstream they may be construed as potty.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ange-assam-tea


---------------------
I wouldn't say it's potty to question AGW but I would to question the
existence of GW - and I'm not saying that you do, from what I remember
you told me.
Dave

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:



Not any more Keith you need to understand that the cooling has set in
in earnest the last several months. Don't forget local weather
doesn't equate to objective globla measurement.

If cooling has set in in earnest during the last few months it
hasm't yet had an effect on Arctic sea ice which is looking
pretty woeful at the moment.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Yes I know this is a 'snapshot' at any one time driven
by synoptics rather than climate change but I thought it worth
mentioning as this graph is often used (misused?) by the
deniers as 'evidence' when there is rather more ice than
one might expect.

I wonder that if this cooling is real, when we will see this graph
trending to more ice.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

In message om,
Lawrence Jenkins writes

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
On Dec 29, 10:36 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have
been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature record
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps

It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that
is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves
some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.

--------------------
Well done Joe, unbelievable ;-)
Dave

I thought someone posted on here a while ago saying that globally 2010
was going to be the third warmest year on record, have I mistaken
something?

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"


Not any more Keith you need to understand that the cooling has set in in
earnest the last several months.

If you look at your own source you'll see that there is an annual
variation in global mean temperature. (This is a result of the greater
proportion of land in the northern hemisphere, and hence greater
hemispheric annual variation.) The cooling over the last several months
is normal.

Don't forget local weather doesn't equate
to objective globla measurement.


Also, don't forget that short term fluctuations don't equate to climate.

In the specific case of the sharp fall in global temperatures over the
recent past, I suspect that is in part due to the albedo effects of snow
cover at lower latitudes.

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover...r=2010&ui_day=
358&ui_set=2
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Dec 30, 9:11*am, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message om,
Lawrence Jenkins writes





"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
....
On Dec 29, 10:36 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have
been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature record
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps

It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that
is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves
some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.

--------------------
Well done Joe, unbelievable ;-)
Dave

I thought someone posted on here a while ago saying that globally 2010
was going to be the third warmest year on record, have I mistaken
something?

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Not any more Keith you need to understand that the cooling has set in in
earnest the last several months.

If you look at your own source you'll see that there is an annual
variation in global mean temperature. (This is a result of the greater
proportion of land in the northern hemisphere, and hence greater
hemispheric annual variation.) The cooling over the last several months
is normal.

Don't forget local weather doesn't equate
to objective globla measurement.

Also, don't forget that short term fluctuations don't equate to climate.

In the specific case of the sharp fall in global temperatures over the
recent past, I suspect that is in part due to the albedo effects of snow
cover at lower latitudes.

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover..._year=2010&ui_....
358&ui_set=2
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

The point is, and this is the reason I mentioned it, is it seems you
can always dig up some definitive information to back up your views on
GW, one way or the other, so in the end it all become meaningless.

For me the shrinking of the arctic ice mass is the best thermometer,
which *may* reverse, but there's no obvious signs atm!

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Dec 29, 10:09*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to have
been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature recordhttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998; that
is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he deserves
some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here *on many an occasion.

????

Amazing. A superb performance. Lawrence too. Global temperatures
always fall towards December. Well done to Joe for predicting it and
Lawrence for thinking it means something. No-one else saw that annual
fall coming either. Terrific!!

laughing

BTW. Here's the actual near-surface AMSU-A temperatures. Nowhere near
"a remarkable plunge" and December's UAH figures will be out in a few
days time and will comfirm that. I think Lawrence has been at the
funny stuff over Christmas. *))

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001

In article om,
says...
So I take it Alan that you feel the drop in near surface temperature is not
a fact?


Maybe he feels that the drop in near surface temperature over such a
short period is not significant?

--
Alan LeHun

On Thursday 30 Dec 2010 10:01, Dawlish scribbled:

On Dec 29, 10:09 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature
recordhttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.

????

Amazing. A superb performance. Lawrence too. Global temperatures
always fall towards December. Well done to Joe for predicting it and
Lawrence for thinking it means something. No-one else saw that annual
fall coming either. Terrific!!

laughing

BTW. Here's the actual near-surface AMSU-A temperatures. Nowhere near
"a remarkable plunge" and December's UAH figures will be out in a few
days time and will comfirm that. I think Lawrence has been at the
funny stuff over Christmas. *))

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001

To be fair to Lawrence, he is correct in saying that there is a remarkable
fall on the near-surface graph (ch04), but as it's only happened over the
past few days it does look like desperation - or a leg-pull perhaps? - to
draw the conclusions he does. Difference between 2009 and 2010 was -0.08C on
the 25th and -0.89C on the 28th, the latest day for which data is available.
Heck of a drop!


--
Graham Davis, Bracknell
It was raining cats and dogs and I fell in a poodle. [Chic
Murray(1919-1985)]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:54:26 -0000, Alan LeHun wrote:

In article om,
says...
So I take it Alan that you feel the drop in near surface temperature is not
a fact?


Maybe he feels that the drop in near surface temperature over such a
short period is not significant?

I was merely commenting on the WMO view on 2010 and not on the other data
which gave an error message when I clicked on the link.

Alan Gardiner
Chiswell Green, St Albans
101m ASL
30/12/2010 16:37:43
https://sites.google.com/site/alangardinersinfo/

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
On Dec 29, 10:36 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
At first I thought this was a mistake, a quirk, but no there seems to
have
been a remarkable plunge in the near surface temperature record
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps
It is now lower for the 28th December 2010 than at any time since 1998;
that
is some drop that I've seen no one else predict bar Joe who has been
proclaiming this would happen since this time last year. Surely he
deserves
some praise and not the petty treatment he gets here on many an
occasion.
--------------------
Well done Joe, unbelievable ;-)
Dave

I thought someone posted on here a while ago saying that globally 2010
was going to be the third warmest year on record, have I mistaken
something?

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"


Not any more Keith you need to understand that the cooling has set in in
earnest the last several months. Don't forget local weather doesn't
equate to objective globla measurement.
---------------
........ nor does several months equate to climate.
Dave

Global temperature has always gone up and gone donw it's only now that we
can measure it far more accurately than ever before. By the way Dave where
did I say that dreaded word climate ?