Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.


http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...annel=vbbastaj

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
b.com...
Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.


http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...annel=vbbastaj



Sorry Kinetic how pathetec.

On Dec 30, 8:55*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message

b.com...

Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.

http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...lobe-will-(is)...

Sorry Kinetic how pathetec.

"Pathetec", Lawrence - was that a Freudian slip?

Anyway, Joe B's got my vote. What an honest, straightforward bloke.
Most of what he says is inordinately sensible, and hey, we can go
check for ourselves, which is more than we're encouraged to do by the
warmy-types. Maybe that's because they know they're on dodgy
ground...

CK

On 30/12/2010 18:44, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.


http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...annel=vbbastaj



He is confused..

"Natsman" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 8:55 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message

b.com...

Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.

http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...lobe-will-(is)...

Sorry Kinetic how pathetec.

"Pathetec", Lawrence - was that a Freudian slip?

Anyway, Joe B's got my vote. What an honest, straightforward bloke.
Most of what he says is inordinately sensible, and hey, we can go
check for ourselves, which is more than we're encouraged to do by the
warmy-types. Maybe that's because they know they're on dodgy
ground...

CK

No I was replicating my first mistake with a second for hopefully the humour
angle -didn't work.

Now back to Joe.

I really can't understand the hostility shown towards him, if there is any
high profile people out there that have made such bold statements and seem
to be vindicated yet flying in face of the AGW self hating band wagon then
point them out.

Hold on there was such a person, a man who actually is a climate scientist
and not a jumped up pantry boy like Joe B who gets paid regardless of
whether his forecasts are wrong. No this man has to prove his theories
before a public penny changes hands. Its a scandle that no one here has ever
mentioned him. Who do I mean?

I mean of course who said in 2000 in an interview with the Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...st-724017.html

here's one of his quotes

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said this has he
cried all over his tax payer funded handsome pay slip
within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting
event".

and then Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic
research unit(CRU) said

"within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting
event".

Hmmm unlike Joe who gets paid regardless Dr Viner must give back all the
grant money for getting it so wrong.

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
b.com...
Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.


http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...annel=vbbastaj

An awful lot of handwaving from Joe in this video, and I can't understand
why he's attributing the warming of the last three decades to the PDO when
it appears to me that the PDO index has been *declining* over this period,
not increasing (i.e. a cooling trend) -

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/jis...t:-120/scale:2

and:

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/img/pdo_latest.jpeg

On Dec 30, 9:32*pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.

http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...lobe-will-(is)....

An awful lot of handwaving from Joe in this video, and I can't understand
why he's attributing the warming of the last three decades to the PDO when
it appears to me that the PDO index has been *declining* over this period,
not increasing (i.e. a cooling trend) -

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/jis...le:100/offset:...

and:

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/img/pdo_latest.jpeg

There has been a negative PDO for around 5 (ish) years now. Many were
pointing to this change as a reason why the world would start to get
cooler. Many are very quiet on the subject now. Roy Spencer is a case
in point.

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

I just don't think *******i understands the supposed relationship.
(and it really is a tenuous one). That's why he's waving his hands
about.

On Thursday 30 Dec 2010 18:44, Lawrence Jenkins scribbled:

Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.


http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...obe-will-(is)-
cool(ing)-or-will-appear-to.asp?channel=vbbastaj

I'm beta-testing at the moment and this video is jerky with no sound. If it
were working properly I'd hear the sound but the jerk would still be there.
Pass.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell
It was raining cats and dogs and I fell in a poodle. [Chic
Murray(1919-1985)]

On Dec 30, 9:49*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Dec 30, 9:32*pm, "Togless" wrote:





"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.

http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...lobe-will-(is)....

An awful lot of handwaving from Joe in this video, and I can't understand
why he's attributing the warming of the last three decades to the PDO when
it appears to me that the PDO index has been *declining* over this period,
not increasing (i.e. a cooling trend) -

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/jis...le:100/offset:...

and:

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/img/pdo_latest.jpeg

There has been a negative PDO for around 5 (ish) years now. Many were
pointing to this change as a reason why the world would start to get
cooler. Many are very quiet on the subject now. Roy Spencer is a case
in point.

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest

I just don't think *******i understands the supposed relationship.
(and it really is a tenuous one). That's why he's waving his hands
about.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Didn't you think Roy Spencer was an actor? It's really you who are the
thespian

On Dec 31, 8:38*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Thursday 30 Dec 2010 18:44, Lawrence Jenkins scribbled:

Interesting I'll need to watch it several times.

http://www.accuweather.com/video/732...obe-will-(is)-

cool(ing)-or-will-appear-to.asp?channel=vbbastaj

I'm beta-testing at the moment and this video is jerky with no sound. If it
were working properly I'd hear the sound but the jerk would still be there.
Pass.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell
It was raining cats and dogs and I fell in a poodle. [Chic
Murray(1919-1985)]

You aren't missing much :-(

Joe is claiming that "Temperature is a measure of kinetic energy, and
the dirty little secret of the whole AGW debate is that total kinteic
energy of the Earth over the longer term is not changing, but is
cyclical."

It may not be obvious at first how the total kinetic energy of the
Earth can be unchanging and can be cyclical. I think what he is
arguing is when we get cold weather over the UK and the USA the Arctic
is warmer. So the temperature in the USA goes in cycles which follow
the PDO. But the total kinetic energy of the globe remains the same.
That does not agree with measurements which show that the average
temperature of the globe has risen.

Another mistake he makes is to argue that the kinetic energy increases
sub-exponentially with temperature. What he is doing is mixing up wet
bulb temperatures with real temperatures. Energy does increase sub-
exponentially with wet bulb temperature, but it is latent energy, not
kinetic energy, which causes that.

In other words he is no expert, just a charlatan!

Cheers, Alastair.