The unremitting Day After Tomorrow NWP that has existed since December 28th
and much touted by certain "senior" forecasters on this newsgroup seems to
have evaporated into hot air. I keep reading excuses for why it's not
happened (the extreme bitter cold), but never actually have I seen a "sorry,
but I was talking ********" admission. Tonight there is cross model
agreement that anything cold will be swept asunder from the West. I'm of
course being glib. But on a serious note I feel that certain "senior"
forecasters on this NG are intrinsically biased towards the weather type of
their choice, and as such should really be ignored in the same vein as the
sandwich board man whom suggests that the end is nigh!



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You are reading far too much into this "senior forcasters" agenda. He is an
able honest bloke who truley loves extreme weather. So why turn this into a
big deal? He doesn't bat for either side of the GW debate so what has he to
gain-give it a rest.











"Johndoe" wrote in message
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The unremitting Day After Tomorrow NWP that has existed since December
28th and much touted by certain "senior" forecasters on this newsgroup
seems to have evaporated into hot air. I keep reading excuses for why it's
not happened (the extreme bitter cold), but never actually have I seen a
"sorry, but I was talking ********" admission. Tonight there is cross
model agreement that anything cold will be swept asunder from the West.
I'm of course being glib. But on a serious note I feel that certain
"senior" forecasters on this NG are intrinsically biased towards the
weather type of their choice, and as such should really be ignored in the
same vein as the sandwich board man whom suggests that the end is nigh!


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On Feb 11, 11:10*pm, "Johndoe" wrote:
The unremitting Day After Tomorrow NWP that has existed since December 28th
and much touted by certain "senior" forecasters on this newsgroup seems to
have evaporated into hot air. I keep reading excuses for why it's not
happened (the extreme bitter cold), but never actually have I seen a "sorry,
but I was talking ********" admission. Tonight there is cross model
agreement that anything cold will be swept asunder from the West. I'm of
course being glib. But on a serious note I feel that certain "senior"
forecasters on this NG are intrinsically biased towards the weather type of
their choice, and as such should really be ignored in the same vein as the
sandwich board man whom suggests that the end is nigh!

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I agree. Rational discussion of future weather on this group
is almost impossible because the situation is discussed in terms of
"good" or "bad" rather than in terms of "likely" or "unlikely, or
"interesting" or "routine". Hence the ramping up of cold in winter
and thunderstorms in summer and the correspondingly induced
counterblast from those who don't like that sort of thing. None of it
helps. It's a triumph of hope over science and is the sort of thing
you'd get from asking a group of Crawley Town fans if they can beat
Man U in the cup. Of course they can if this, if that and if the
other. If your aunt's got balls she's your uncle.
Mr Doe, if professional forecasters can say who they are, why
can't you? Your arguments would have more force.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Mr Doe, if professional forecasters can say who they are, why
can't you? Your arguments would have more force.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.



To keep my job!



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In article ,
Johndoe writes:

Mr Doe, if professional forecasters can say who they are, why
can't you? Your arguments would have more force.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.



To keep my job!

You really think that criticising Will could lose you your job?! Even if
you yourself are employed by the Met Office, I find that hard to
believe.
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...
On Feb 11, 11:10 pm, "Johndoe" wrote:
The unremitting Day After Tomorrow NWP that has existed since December
28th
and much touted by certain "senior" forecasters on this newsgroup seems to
have evaporated into hot air. I keep reading excuses for why it's not
happened (the extreme bitter cold), but never actually have I seen a
"sorry,
but I was talking ********" admission. Tonight there is cross model
agreement that anything cold will be swept asunder from the West. I'm of
course being glib. But on a serious note I feel that certain "senior"
forecasters on this NG are intrinsically biased towards the weather type
of
their choice, and as such should really be ignored in the same vein as the
sandwich board man whom suggests that the end is nigh!

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I agree. Rational discussion of future weather on this group
is almost impossible because the situation is discussed in terms of
"good" or "bad" rather than in terms of "likely" or "unlikely, or
"interesting" or "routine". Hence the ramping up of cold in winter
and thunderstorms in summer and the correspondingly induced
counterblast from those who don't like that sort of thing. None of it
helps. It's a triumph of hope over science and is the sort of thing
you'd get from asking a group of Crawley Town fans if they can beat
Man U in the cup. Of course they can if this, if that and if the
other. If your aunt's got balls she's your uncle.
Mr Doe, if professional forecasters can say who they are, why
can't you? Your arguments would have more force.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.
====================

Mr Doe went into my killfile as long time ago due to that reason Tudor. No
point in speaking with someone who won't say who he is or where he lives and
who constantly criticises on a personal level. As for the group, it is meant
to be *fun* not absolutely serious, so yes I admit to being emotional and
frivolous sometimes because weather is my life! Serious forecasts are done
by my colleagues in the Met Office and I aim to explain the dynamics/reasons
etc as does Jon and others from time to time. But it is wearing when we get
continually "judged" and poked fun at by stupid and insulting references to
"teaboys" etc from someone who has absolutely no idea what my colleagues do
and how hard they work.

That's all I'm going to say as it is a nice sunny day outside and I'm going
to make the most of it before the rain and snow arrives (up here).

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--

In article ,
Will Hand writes:
snip
But it is wearing when we get continually "judged" and poked fun at by
stupid and insulting references to "teaboys" etc from someone who has
absolutely no idea what my colleagues do and how hard they work.

Yes, though not generally sympathetic to Terry's abuse of Dawlish, I do
have to agree with him on that point.
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Will Hand writes:
snip
But it is wearing when we get continually "judged" and poked fun at by
stupid and insulting references to "teaboys" etc from someone who has
absolutely no idea what my colleagues do and how hard they work.

Yes, though not generally sympathetic to Terry's abuse of Dawlish, I do
have to agree with him on that point.
--
John Hall

Hi John, thanks for your comments. As usual, calm and well thought out
posts. I think that Paul should know that he is not thought of highly at all
in the Met Office because of his disparaging and unhelpful remarks over the
years. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion of course, but a little
respect for the forecasting profession would go a long way I feel.

Will
--

On Feb 12, 11:41*am, "Will Hand" wrote:

Hi John, thanks for your comments. As usual, calm and well thought out
posts. I think that Paul should know that he is not thought of highly at all
in the Met Office because of his disparaging and unhelpful remarks over the
years.

And because he has a foible about wearing women's clothing outside his
trousers?

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion of course, but a little
respect for the forecasting profession would go a long way I feel.

Ooer!

(....or not as the case may be.)

In article ,
Will Hand writes:

"John Hall" wrote in message news:aCJgz3IG9m
...
In article ,
Will Hand writes:
snip
But it is wearing when we get continually "judged" and poked fun at by
stupid and insulting references to "teaboys" etc from someone who has
absolutely no idea what my colleagues do and how hard they work.

Yes, though not generally sympathetic to Terry's abuse of Dawlish, I do
have to agree with him on that point.
-- John Hall

Hi John, thanks for your comments. As usual, calm and well thought out
posts. I think that Paul should know that he is not thought of highly
at all in the Met Office because of his disparaging and unhelpful
remarks over the years. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion
of course, but a little respect for the forecasting profession would go
a long way I feel.


Indeed. The 16-30 day forecasts don't seem to have a very good track
record (at least that's my - admittedly subjective - impression), but I
think that's because they are extremely difficult - perhaps often even
impossible - to get right, and not the result of any lack of skill by
the forecasters. I wouldn't say that the Met Office shouldn't attempt
them, but it might be better if they were viewed as a research project
rather and not released to the general public. (I wouldn't be surprised
if the forecasters involved took the same view, but no doubt such
decisions are taken at a much higher level within the organisation and
the forecasters don't have much say in the matter.)
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)